The Dingo^3 wrote:
I don't get it, why would he be faster at track events today than when he was training specifically for track events?
He's an endurance machine and perhaps the greatest mental grinder ever. That's why he's great at the marathon. Not because he had some Farah-esque explosion in his overall running ability and would all of a sudden run 12:45 and 26:20.
Yeah, no track abailty whatsoever....
https://youtu.be/WMZdOdriRdkThis thread was started over 24 hours ago. So Kipchoge cannot run the 1500m on the date you specified, which is now yesterday.
I'd agree about him being able to run damn near WR pace in the 10k, if he hadn't just run a marathon.
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
Sang said for Kipchoge 26:1X is possible. Not a chance. He'd still be competing at 10000m if he could do that, he would just run away from the field.
Why would he still be competing at 10,000 if he could do that? The marathon is much more lucrative, brings much more fame, and he's breaking WRs and running away from fields in the more glamorous event.
I don't think he could necessarily run 26:1X right now, but I do think he could run something like 26:30 in a rabbited race, and I do think he could probably run away from the field if he wanted to compete in the Oly 10K next year. Maybe a few guys could hang, like Kamworor, Cheptegei could stick with him.
he would run under a 4 minute mile with like 2 speed workouts.
probably with a month prep he'd do like a 352 mile. he's be doing .. guess what? .. quality work at 57 seconds per lap pace.
basically to go faster from there, he'd have to get the flat 400m time down.
which is pointless.
the marathon is the glamour event.
if you run a great marathon, you can save the world...
With a good setup Kipchoge could break 3:30 in the 1500m. A likely scenario for him would be a straight downhill mondo enhanced road with four or five runners breaking the wind from the front and a large industrial fan blowing from behind to create a 20mph tail wind booster. And of course the trampoline shoes. 3:30! Kipchoge style.
SlowMoe wrote:
The Dingo^3 wrote:
I don't get it, why would he be faster at track events today than when he was training specifically for track events?
He's an endurance machine and perhaps the greatest mental grinder ever. That's why he's great at the marathon. Not because he had some Farah-esque explosion in his overall running ability and would all of a sudden run 12:45 and 26:20.
Yeah, no track abailty whatsoever....
https://youtu.be/WMZdOdriRdk
Maybe this one works
https://youtu.be/xjlqokZ_XgkShilohDoesntCare wrote:
Sang said for Kipchoge 26:1X is possible. Not a chance. He'd still be competing at 10000m if he could do that, he would just run away from the field.
Race three Marathons a year, in 1:59 to 2:05 range. That pays x dollars. Race six 10000m a year in sub-26:25. How much does that pay? Do you ever ask yourself: Why can so many Kenyan men race so well 800m to 3000m SC, not so many currently great at 5000m & 10000m, but Kenyans can race Marathon well? Marathon money is your answer.
3.35 in a VERY good day.
Too old and skinny to bother me.
Today or pre-Vienna? wrote:
Today, Eliud Kipchoge could not beat Sifan Hassan due to post Marathon wear & tear. If Kipchoge would have raced 1500m pre-Vienna on Marathon training, knowing that Kipchoge loves relying on pacers, if paced, 3:38.5 to 3:39.5 1500m. Training for T&F at an elite level means training for a long sustained kick for events, 1500m to 10000m. Kipchoge was not trained to race sub-1:52 over final 800m in a 5000m race; Kipchoge was not trained to race sub-1:54 over final 800m in a 10000m race immediately prior to Vienna . That stated, Kipchoge should be in or near world record condition for 10000m, just do not expect him to race any faster than 1:58 over final 800.
Bull.
Not saying age hasnt affected his speed, but watching that 2003 WCs clip on YouTube, it's pretty clear to me that closing in 53 and outkicking ElG and Bekele at 18 y.o. gives me complete confidence he could beat Hassan any day, even the day after Ineos.
People really need to stop citing Kipchoge's win in the 2003 worlds 5000... seriously, it was 16 YEARS AGO! 16 years ago I could dunk a basketball, today I'd be lucky to graze the rim with my fingertips.
Kinda fast wrote:
Today or pre-Vienna? wrote:
Today, Eliud Kipchoge could not beat Sifan Hassan due to post Marathon wear & tear. If Kipchoge would have raced 1500m pre-Vienna on Marathon training, knowing that Kipchoge loves relying on pacers, if paced, 3:38.5 to 3:39.5 1500m. Training for T&F at an elite level means training for a long sustained kick for events, 1500m to 10000m. Kipchoge was not trained to race sub-1:52 over final 800m in a 5000m race; Kipchoge was not trained to race sub-1:54 over final 800m in a 10000m race immediately prior to Vienna . That stated, Kipchoge should be in or near world record condition for 10000m, just do not expect him to race any faster than 1:58 over final 800.
Bull.
Not saying age hasnt affected his speed, but watching that 2003 WCs clip on YouTube, it's pretty clear to me that closing in 53 and outkicking ElG and Bekele at 18 y.o. gives me complete confidence he could beat Hassan any day, even the day after Ineos.
I am not a regular Marathoner. I only completed one. It really beat up my body for a very, very, very long time. Today is about four days after Vienna Marathon. You really would bet on Kipchoge today over Sifan Hassan if they raced 1500m TODAY?
Weird trivia: Kipchoge set his 3:33 1500m PR at the same meet that Bekele ran his 12:37 WR. Hengelo May 31, 2004.
Milton Friedman wrote:
Weird trivia: Kipchoge set his 3:33 1500m PR at the same meet that Bekele ran his 12:37 WR. Hengelo May 31, 2004.
In a strange way, it is good that Eliud Kipchoge was not much faster at 1500m. If Kipchoge were a sub-3:32 1500m man, he would have too much pride to race Marathons.
Today or pre-Vienna? wrote:
Kinda fast wrote:
Bull.
Not saying age hasnt affected his speed, but watching that 2003 WCs clip on YouTube, it's pretty clear to me that closing in 53 and outkicking ElG and Bekele at 18 y.o. gives me complete confidence he could beat Hassan any day, even the day after Ineos.
I am not a regular Marathoner. I only completed one. It really beat up my body for a very, very, very long time. Today is about four days after Vienna Marathon. You really would bet on Kipchoge today over Sifan Hassan if they raced 1500m TODAY?
Kipchoge probably recovers from a marathon about the same as a rec. runner recovers.from a 5k. So he wouldn't have much of a problem running 3:40-45 the day after.