She's about framed for doping, just you wait.
If she is framed it's more likely competing interests in Kenya behind it. More likely if she get's caught, she just gets caught.
If she’s doping, she WILL get caught. We’re talking about Kenya here, not the US or U.K.
Did they behave the same way when their girl ran her ridiculous 2:15?
The real shock is that the Women's Marathon record was 2:20+ in 2002. I guess not too many women wanted to take the necessary PED drugs with meager rewards, but UK provided incentives to its ilk.
Brits are great at "our doper is better than yours ".
GB is one of the dirtiest countries around. UKAD just sits around and does nothing.
F Paula seriously wrote:
Brits are great at "our doper is better than yours ".
GB is one of the dirtiest countries around. UKAD just sits around and does nothing.
UKAD has an abysmal record of catching dopers. And UK Athletics green-lighted Farah working with Salazar.
Could be doping or could be the new vaporfly. Or both. Either way, in the last year we have witnessed two 2:01 and two WR in HM in men, and one WR by Kosgei in womens marathon.
It's time to limit the energy return of those shoes, it is too great an advantage, records are blowing away in pieces.
Absurd to compare @paulajradcliffe with @brigidkosgei like this. PR spent yrs, (after winning the Wld Jnr CC), honing her world class ability as a distance runner, the opposite to Kosgei, who has zero track pedigree. PR's track years were a perfect apprenticeship for the Marathon
Exactly right. PR's previous career training melded her body to adapt with the PEDs more readily, and also the bespoke drugs could be profiled for fit to it from longitudinal medical data over lengthy periods.
But that took sometime (many years) in those days, while now one can just push a button and have the right polymers emerge for any an individual athlete. Times are a-'changing!
Paula could have gone 2:13 if she didn't have to do a vindaloo poo during her last WR. Has Rosa trained Kosgei on what to do if she gets diarrea mid race?
so Paula takes 1 1/2 minutes off the WR then takes almost another 2 minutes off that record and has freakishly abnormal blood values but Kosgei running 2:14:04 is too much for them to get their heads around.
Its amazing what you can fool yourself into believing.
^This.
El K is right that Paula's story is unbelievable, and Tim is right that Brigid's story is unbelievable.
Pot Kettle Black wrote:
so Paula takes 1 1/2 minutes off the WR then takes almost another 2 minutes off that record and has freakishly abnormal blood values but Kosgei running 2:14:04 is too much for them to get their heads around.
Its amazing what you can fool yourself into believing.
No one does hypocrisy like the Brits. They only started going after Farah after making sure there's no more gold to mine.
casual obsever wrote:
^This.
El K is right that Paula's story is unbelievable, and Tim is right that Brigid's story is unbelievable.
Yeah, both suspicious for very different reasons.
Anyway, the whole "Paula had great track PRs first" argument is unconvincing, especially in retrospect. Her track PRs are good, but nothing about them suggested what she would do in the marathon. Women have been running as fast or faster than her on the track and not coming close on the roads.
Also, Brigid's rate of improvement is way TOO dramatic to indicate doping. People are acting as though EPO will cut 30 minutes off your marathon. Obviously she was seriously undertrained. Someone who is chopping massive chunks of time off of her PRs is someone with an unknown ceiling. Which is not to say I think she's clean, just that you can't learn anything from her progression. The classic suspicious improvement, by contrast, would be people like Farah and Hassan, who were top pros for years before suddenly making a jump to being untouchable (which when you're already good isn't a huge jump in absolute terms).
El Keniano wrote:
Led by Mara Yamauchi and Tim Hutchings ...
https://twitter.com/mara_yamauchi/status/1183394715359744000?s=20https://twitter.com/TimHutchings1/status/1183714511678779392?s=20https://twitter.com/TimHutchings1/status/1183905826785910785?s=20
Wait! This comment by TimHutchings can't be true. Did she really run the first two kilometers in 2:10-2:11 pace? That can't be right. That's faster than the F WR for the mile.
Your last sentence is bang on for Paula too. In Munich 2001, when she pulled the dominating 10000 out of nowhere, we said that she went over to the dark side.
fisky wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Led by Mara Yamauchi and Tim Hutchings ...
https://twitter.com/mara_yamauchi/status/1183394715359744000?s=20https://twitter.com/TimHutchings1/status/1183714511678779392?s=20https://twitter.com/TimHutchings1/status/1183905826785910785?s=20Wait! This comment by TimHutchings can't be true. Did she really run the first two kilometers in 2:10-2:11 pace? That can't be right. That's faster than the F WR for the mile.
Not 2:10-2:11 per kilometer. He meant her first couple kilometers were on pace for a 2:10:00-2:11:00 marathon.
fisky wrote:
Wait! This comment by TimHutchings can't be true. Did she really run the first two kilometers in 2:10-2:11 pace? That can't be right. That's faster than the F WR for the mile.
What? 2:10 pace is 4:57 per mile, what WR? what?
England cries at home devastated.