I take exception with this, perhaps because in an all-out sprint for 100m I probably couldn't hit 1:44 800 speed unless I was going down a steep hill. To run 13.0 for 8 straight 100's, you probably must have at least 11.0-11.2 speed. How is that NOT "blazing speed"? I am also curious about what you think of in terms of ways to improve basic speed by large margins. I've tried and I think this is what is holding me back in running. Lots of base, lots of threshold, some sharper work near to the races, but my 100 time is perhaps 13.7-13.8 all-out, in spikes, wind at my back, and with a lot of drills and sprinting I never get it faster.
And these were guys who could run sub 1:45, or sub 1:44, for the 800 m., without natural blazing speed
Thanks for the advice, Nobby.
BSM a lot:
All due respect, I copied that line from RonB from Skuj's thread. Well, I'm just trying to blame it on someone else...
In terms of Lydiard's basic speed; that's what he used to determied best suited racing distance for the athlete. The reason why not 100 is because the reaction time (start) plays too big of a part; in 400 endurance already comes in. In your case, with a 13.7-second-100m speed, you can probably hit 200 perhaps slightly under 26 give or take??? (I was 12.5 and 24.5 in high school)
As Bill Bowerman said, you can work on sprint drills (technique); something like Canova's uphill sprinting or Lydiard's hill exercises to develop power and flexibility in your legs; and also work on your nerves with downhill leg-speed exercise, using--what do you call it--catapult rubber band to run faster than your body can go, or even have a car or a bike pull you to run faster. There is a limit to how fast you can run. But most of us overlook how to make yourself faster to that point. Join local high school's sprinting squad a couple of times a week and work on your technique (unless you've already done that). You'd be amazed!
Again, unless you've already worked on it, your potential (for a sprinting speed) is most probably still underdeveloped. You cannot, and should not, say you are "slow" until you work on those.
Okay, I went back and re-read your message; you said you tried drills and tail wind... I'd suggest you work with actual sprinting coach (if you haven't done that). You can continue certain exercises wrongly and you'll never improve. As I always say, it's not that practice makes perfect; it's the perfect practice that makes perfect. I don't mean to say that you've been doing it wrongly; I'm just trying to explore possibility.
I agree with you Steve. In terms of form, I think--but then, what runner doesn't?--that I am fairly efficient while sprinting.
Working on basic speed is one of those extra things that is another piece of the puzzle. If you only had an hour a day to run, i'd tell you to go run for an hour, but if you have extra time and want to truly help maximize your performance, then sprint training is definately needed. It's funny how with distance runners it's often either fully neglected or used so much that it takes away from the true distance work. For some strange reason, most people don't find the middle ground and work sprint training into their program while still doing the necessary distance training. For example, I often do sprint training after a nice 40min easy run.
Anyways, I'd recommend finding a good sprint coach who knows what he's talking about. You'd be amazed at how much your sprinting ability can improve if you actually learn how to sprint correctly. Unfortunately, you have to know a bit about biomechanics to know what to do, or have a good coach. If your interested and have no coach, go out and buy a basic book on sprinting biomechanics. It may take a couple reads before you realize what exactly is going on, but it's well worth it.