Mo Farah goes home DEVASTATED and outclassed

This is exactly right. At his best before NOP he ran that 12:57 and was only 5th in the race. Beaten by Solinsky, Tariku Bekele, and Imane Merga. (For the record Kipchoge was there and only 11th). He was practically leading his heat at the bell in 2009 and he got the doors blown off him and ended up 7th. Then all of a sudden he can close incredibly fast, he had speed before but just couldn't bring it out when he was tired. Mo then becomes unbeatable shortly after. Ridiculous.

Hobbyjogger98 wrote:

Farah didn't get much faster, if at all, from 2010 onwards. He got smarter and learned how to control races so he could use his superior finish to clean house. He wouldn't have won as many medals if rabbits were allowed in championships but there's good reasons why they aren't. Throughout his career I don't think he's ever had the fastest 5k or 10k time in the world for that year but he's been the best racer in the field.

So yeah, he's no Berkeley but anyone with that much metal in their collection is a legend in the sport

Mo Farah did improve his times

Mo Farah did not have any "superior finish" prior to 2011

Just take a look at the 5 000m final in Berlin, it was a slow race (13:17) , everyone was packed just before the last lap, Mo Farah was in the mix.

Fast forward at 16:00 for the last 400

He completely crashed out in the last 400, outran by everybody else.

Repeat it enough, and it will come true in your mind. All Aden did was hold a stopwatch. In fact, Farah doesn't even know the man.

no surprise really wrote:

Mo has an awful record against both of these guys (4-13 vs Bekele and 5-11 vs Kipchoge) and simply isn't on their level. He has no place in the GOAT conversation. Him beating a washed up Bekele in the 2012 final (Kipchoge wasn't even there, but it's not surprising you don't know that) means nothing. Bekele is better than him on every surface and has dominated him since 2005.

Kipchoge wasn't there because he COULDN'T EVEN QUALIFY. Mo is no GOAT but he was light years better than Eliud on the track.

no surprise really wrote:

he was "in contention" in the same way guys like Solinsky and Tegenkamp were (good enough to make Worlds/Olympics but absolutely zero chance of medaling).

Teg was a lean away from a medal. Your takes are trash.

seasoned ranker wrote:

no surprise really wrote:

he was "in contention" in the same way guys like Solinsky and Tegenkamp were (good enough to make Worlds/Olympics but absolutely zero chance of medaling).

Teg was a lean away from a medal. Your takes are trash.

Your takes are trash Teg was 4th only one time in 2007 and never placed in the top ten again.

seasoned ranker wrote:

no surprise really wrote:

Mo has an awful record against both of these guys (4-13 vs Bekele and 5-11 vs Kipchoge) and simply isn't on their level. He has no place in the GOAT conversation. Him beating a washed up Bekele in the 2012 final (Kipchoge wasn't even there, but it's not surprising you don't know that) means nothing. Bekele is better than him on every surface and has dominated him since 2005.

Kipchoge wasn't there because he COULDN'T EVEN QUALIFY. Mo is no GOAT but he was light years better than Eliud on the track.

Teg was a lean away from a medal. Your takes are trash.

Mo was basically a nobody until 2011 and is nowhere near the GOAT. Kipchoge is ahead of him on the all-time list whether you like it or not.

That doesn't necessarily mean Kipchoge was better than him on the track, and in fact I never made that claim. Mo obviously accomplished more, though I will say that Kipchoge's WC win in 2003 is far superior to any of Mo's achievements.

Regarding Teg, maybe it was a little unfair to use him as an example since he got 4th in 2007, but don't pretend you didn't understand the point I was making. He, like pre-2011 Mo, wasn't really a factor in big races and certainly wasn't a guy you'd be counting on to medal, let alone win.

But sure, my takes are trash.

Farah never had any class. He’s a dirty cheat. Hopefully he fades away after he laid an egg in Chicago this weekend!

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

Teg was a lean away from a medal. Your takes are trash.

Your takes are trash Teg was 4th only one time in 2007 and never placed in the top ten again.

4th by a whisker one time is enough by itself to make the statement “absolutely zero chance of medaling” categorically false.

seasoned ranker wrote:

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

Your takes are trash Teg was 4th only one time in 2007 and never placed in the top ten again.

4th by a whisker one time is enough by itself to make the statement “absolutely zero chance of medaling” categorically false.

Are you familiar with hyperbole?

come on, really? wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

4th by a whisker one time is enough by itself to make the statement “absolutely zero chance of medaling” categorically false.

Are you familiar with hyperbole?

Too familiar. The approach of the weak.

Farah is a dirty cheat wrote:

Farah never had any class. He’s a dirty cheat. Hopefully he fades away after he laid an egg in Chicago this weekend!

Better keep running. You know he hasn't saved any of his earnings, and I'm sure his wife isn't the type to be frugal.

seasoned ranker wrote:

come on, really? wrote:

Are you familiar with hyperbole?

Too familiar. The approach of the weak.

What are you crying about then? You said yourself you don't think Mo Farah is the GOAT yet you're arguing with people who are saying the same thing.

seasoned ranker wrote:

no surprise really wrote:

Mo has an awful record against both of these guys (4-13 vs Bekele and 5-11 vs Kipchoge) and simply isn't on their level. He has no place in the GOAT conversation. Him beating a washed up Bekele in the 2012 final (Kipchoge wasn't even there, but it's not surprising you don't know that) means nothing. Bekele is better than him on every surface and has dominated him since 2005.

Kipchoge wasn't there because he COULDN'T EVEN QUALIFY. Mo is no GOAT but he was light years better than Eliud on the track.

We are not comparing Kipchoge's record on track and Farah's record on track. We are comparint their talent. Kipchoge was a contender in track much sooner than Farah was, he came in younger like all the other athlete do.

Mo Farah is one of the only man who had such a complete transformation at such an advanced age on track. This is more than suspicious. How do you think he suddenly became so strong when he was getting stomped before by everyone else?

Hmmm no wrote:

Ah you are believing the witch hunt that the media have started. Do you realize Mo ran 12:57 before he joined the NOP. Not sure you can call that average. Some respect please! Do you realize he placed 6th and 7th in the world championships finals in 2007 and 2009. Not quite sure you can call that average racer or sudden improvement.

He was better than average, but a long way from GOAT. Here are the guys faster than his pre-NOP 5000 best:

Kenenisa BEKELE

Haile GEBRSELASSIE

Daniel KOMEN

Selemon BAREGA

Hagos GEBRHIWET

Eliud KIPCHOGE

Yomif KEJELCHA

Dejen GEBREMESKEL

Sileshi SIHINE

Isiah Kiplangat KOECH

Isaac Kiprono SONGOK

Yenew ALAMIREW

Saif Saaeed SHAHEEN

Thomas Pkemei LONGOSIWA

Brahim LAHLAFI

John KIPKOECH

Mohammed MOURHIT

Paul TERGAT

Hicham EL GUERROUJ

Abderrahim GOUMRI

Moses Ndiema MASAI

Moses Ndiema KIPSIRO

Salah HISSOU

Ali SAIDI-SIEF

Joseph EBUYA

Edwin Cheruiyot SOI

Vincent Kiprop CHEPKOK

Albert ROP

Sammy KIPKETER

Tariku BEKELE

Gebregziabher GEBREMARIAM

Telahun Haile BEKELE

Abraham CHEBII

Khalid BOULAMI

Mark Kosgei KIPTOO

Imane MERGA

Bernard LAGAT

Augustine Kiprono CHOGE

Philip MOSIMA

Assefa MEZGEBU

John Kemboi KIBOWEN

Dejene BIRHANU

Abraham CHERKOS

Moses MOSOP

James Kwalia C'KURUI

Dieter BAUMANN

Muktar EDRIS

Moses KIPTANUI

Benjamin LIMO

Lucas Kimeli ROTICH

Hicham BELLANI

Chris SOLINSKY

Abebe DINKESA

Mark Kipkinyor BETT

Craig MOTTRAM

Boniface Kiprotich SONGOK

Tom NYARIKI

Josphat Kiprono MENJO

Birhanu BALEW

Ahmad Hassan ABDULLAH

Dathan RITZENHEIN

Abadi HADIS

Paul KOECH

Luke KIPKOSGEI

Ali ABDOSH

Richard LIMO

Mulugeta WENDIMU

Boniface KIPROP

Worku BIKILA

Alemayehu BEZABEH

Joshua CHEPTEGEI

Josphat Kipkoech BETT

Paul CHELIMO

David CHELULE

Matthew Kipkoech KISORIO

Nicholas Kipkorir KIMELI

Well, we can see the same process in Sifan Hassan. High level athlete, she runs every year for five years in a row regularly 3'56-3'57, at 28 in the worlds she runs all by herself a 3'51, second only in the scores to Dibaba and the chinese of the 90s. This after crushing her rivals in the 10.000 with a final 1500 split of 3'59 in an already fast race. Next she wants the WR in HM. Why not?

Moh was never able to beat the strongest at world level, even at european level he was sometimes beaten. Miracously he goes from 3'33 to 3'28 at age 30 and get that unbeatable"kick"...

And here are the 33 people who have run faster 5000s than the GOAT (?) Mobot even after his time with Jama Aden and Alberto Salazar and his multiple whereabouts violations :

Kenenisa BEKELE

Haile GEBRSELASSIE

Daniel KOMEN

Selemon BAREGA

Hagos GEBRHIWET

Eliud KIPCHOGE

Yomif KEJELCHA

Dejen GEBREMESKEL

Sileshi SIHINE

Isiah Kiplangat KOECH

Isaac Kiprono SONGOK

Yenew ALAMIREW

Saif Saaeed SHAHEEN

Thomas Pkemei LONGOSIWA

Brahim LAHLAFI

John KIPKOECH

Mohammed MOURHIT

Paul TERGAT

Hicham EL GUERROUJ

Abderrahim GOUMRI

Moses Ndiema MASAI

Moses Ndiema KIPSIRO

Salah HISSOU

Ali SAIDI-SIEF

Joseph EBUYA

Edwin Cheruiyot SOI

Vincent Kiprop CHEPKOK

Albert ROP

Sammy KIPKETER

Tariku BEKELE

Gebregziabher GEBREMARIAM

Telahun Haile BEKELE

Abraham CHEBII

Here are the people who have run an indoor 2 mile faster than him:

...

Here are the people who have won more global championship golds at 5000m and 10000m than him:

...

The Scot wrote:

EssosLandis wrote:

It's a complete transformation.

Of course Mo Farah was not a hobby jogger , he was an elite who was placing finals or was getting eliminated in the heat. He had a worldwide level, but far from enough to win.

The complete transformation is that he turned from an average worldwide pro to an absolute champion winning two Olympic doubles and several world titles.

How many exemple have you of that in athletics? Even in all sports? People don't turn from average to absolute champion for so long at 28 years old in a physical sport.

Carlos Lopes.

I disagree about Lopes. He was the silver medalist in the '76 Montreal 10,000, and though he lost to Viren in that race, he ran a superb race, and negative splitted his second 5,000. He excelled at Cross Country, winning Worlds in '76 as well. He likely would've been a factor in '80 had he not struggled with injuries that impeded his training, but by '82 he had returned to form and debuted in a sub 2:09 for his first completed marathon.