1:59:40, One small step for Marathoning, one giant leap for doping.

Everybody dopes, get over it.

You're just a sore loser pal.

Kenyan over the counter EPO will always beat American L-Carnitine injections.

Everyone doesn't do it. That's what makes the sport a joke. No level playing field.

The way he was immediately sprinting after the race, and looked like he had completed maybe a few kilometer reps versus an all out marathon definitely raised an eyebrow for me. There was never a race throughout my high school or NCAA career when I was in my peak shape that I would have had that type of energy after an all out effort. Let alone if the marathon were a distance available to the NCAA, and I had just completed an all out marathon.

Objective comment wrote:

The way he was immediately sprinting after the race, and looked like he had completed maybe a few kilometer reps versus an all out marathon definitely raised an eyebrow for me. There was never a race throughout my high school or NCAA career when I was in my peak shape that I would have had that type of energy after an all out effort. Let alone if the marathon were a distance available to the NCAA, and I had just completed an all out marathon.

Agreed. 2:40 last k. I honestly don't think that pros care that other pros dope- not international/globally competitive ones anyway. I'm not talking about C list Brooks athletes. I'm talking about the Baregas, Kejelchas, Ingebrigtsens, etc. Look at Justyn Knight commenting on Mo's start for Chicago tomorrow as "brother". Mo is about as blatant as they get. Knight isn't stupid. I just don't think that they care.

Nonplussed wrote:

[quote]Objective comment wrote:

Agreed. 2:40 last k. I honestly don't think that pros care that other pros dope- not international/globally competitive ones anyway. I'm not talking about C list Brooks athletes. I'm talking about the Baregas, Kejelchas, Ingebrigtsens, etc. Look at Justyn Knight commenting on Mo's start for Chicago tomorrow as "brother". Mo is about as blatant as they get. Knight isn't stupid. I just don't think that they care.

Maybe Justyn Knight is doping? How do you explain athletes like Nick Willis or Laura Muir?

Look at the flak, btw, that Nick Willis has received simply for making a relatively restrained comment on somebody who objectively appears to be about as an obvious doper as it can get - Sifan Hassan?

Baldylox01 wrote:

A great feat but as we all know, the time was run with the aid of an unknown substance that the top end Africans are abusing... the most ironic part is that people are more concerned with getting legit athletes banned right now and they are running 6-9 mins slower in the marathon than this performance. Smh.

Shoe Doping

Objective comment wrote:

The way he was immediately sprinting after the race, and looked like he had completed maybe a few kilometer reps versus an all out marathon definitely raised an eyebrow for me. There was never a race throughout my high school or NCAA career when I was in my peak shape that I would have had that type of energy after an all out effort. Let alone if the marathon were a distance available to the NCAA, and I had just completed an all out marathon.

You are like my grandfather when he watches athletics. "They ran almost 10km and they're sprinting?! It's impossible! It must be doping!"

Alll wrote:

Objective comment wrote:

The way he was immediately sprinting after the race, and looked like he had completed maybe a few kilometer reps versus an all out marathon definitely raised an eyebrow for me. There was never a race throughout my high school or NCAA career when I was in my peak shape that I would have had that type of energy after an all out effort. Let alone if the marathon were a distance available to the NCAA, and I had just completed an all out marathon.

You are like my grandfather when he watches athletics. "They ran almost 10km and they're sprinting?! It's impossible! It must be doping!"

Nowadays, your grandfather would probably be right. You're the naive one here.

If it's so bad, why don't you all just watch another sport? Maybe American Football where they don't use PED's.

Oh wait.

The problem track and field has is that they're actually going after dopers. They're banning people so, people like you think everyone is doping.

Objective comment wrote:

The way he was immediately sprinting after the race, and looked like he had completed maybe a few kilometer reps versus an all out marathon definitely raised an eyebrow for me. There was never a race throughout my high school or NCAA career when I was in my peak shape that I would have had that type of energy after an all out effort. Let alone if the marathon were a distance available to the NCAA, and I had just completed an all out marathon.

I don't think this argument is necessarily valid. After a huge accomplishment there's a certain bit of adrenaline that will take over and drown out the pain for a little bit. After my best 800 (given it was an 1/52nd of the length) I was so elated that I didn't feel any pain in my legs for a couple minutes. Also sort of after my most recent 8k. Being the first man under 2 hours especially on the second try I think that sheer joy of the moment would overpower the pain in his legs for a little while.

Objective comment wrote:

The way he was immediately sprinting after the race, and looked like he had completed maybe a few kilometer reps versus an all out marathon definitely raised an eyebrow for me. There was never a race throughout my high school or NCAA career when I was in my peak shape that I would have had that type of energy after an all out effort. Let alone if the marathon were a distance available to the NCAA, and I had just completed an all out marathon.

Chances are you've also never broke 2 hours in the marathon in your ncaa/highschool career.

The 2 hour barrier has been looked at as unbreakable for a countless number of years, ofc he's going to get excited when he breaks it.

I remember in HS, the first time I went sub-50, I obviously used up a lot of energy but I still managed to be excited and jog around after due to the adrenaline rush I had.

Coevett wrote:

Look at the flak, btw, that Nick Willis has received simply for making a relatively restrained comment on somebody who objectively appears to be about as an obvious doper as it can get - Sifan Hassan?

So now Coevett suspects Canadians as well. Or only some Candians? Shocking!

i just can't believe people are actually talking about the shoes instead of the doping.

man runs 1:59 for 26 miles and it's because of the shoes. wow.

So you basically can take U.S. two fastest male 1/2 marathoners of all-time and they together would have a hard time beating Eluid!!!! OMG that really leaves me perplexed and almost speachless.

ach wrote:

i just can't believe people are actually talking about the shoes instead of the doping.

man runs 1:59 for 26 miles and it's because of the shoes. wow.

And how it took 41 people to keep one guy on pace for the entire way. They had to swap them out every 5k or so? So none of those people, who btw are mostly world class runners, could even pace Kipchoge for 10km? How is it that an Olympic gold medalist, those three Norwegian dudes and Bernard Lagat can only hang for 5km at a time?

I've never seen Kipchoge look tired.. ever. And perhaps the only streak of consistency like he's been having, was Lance's 7 tour wins. Who runs 12 marathons and never has a bad one? I've seen Kipsang, Kimetto, Desisa, Mutai, Bekele, Mo Farah, Rupp and more all have bad races.

If it seems too good to be true..

resident racist wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Look at the flak, btw, that Nick Willis has received simply for making a relatively restrained comment on somebody who objectively appears to be about as an obvious doper as it can get - Sifan Hassan?

So now Coevett suspects Canadians as well. Or only some Candians? Shocking!

Yes, shocking indeed! He's basically said the white athletes AlSal coached were likely clean, but Mo and the Africans are dirty. And now a dirty Canadian......the rather "tan" Justin Knight (how does one get such a tan in Canada, btw?). ANd on and on it goes.

This guy TRULY lives in a black and white world.

#MTGA

ach wrote:

i just can't believe people are actually talking about the shoes instead of the doping.

man runs 1:59 for 26 miles and it's because of the shoes. wow.

Dude ran only a little slower in the older version of the shoe which had just the single spring plate. I mean that could have been doped, as well, but a slight upping the ante in spring shoe development and somewhat better fitness alone could have made the difference here.