Official INEOS 159 Challenge Discussion Thread

Yes it was the shoes that allowed him run 26:01 and not gravity.

Cyclists have to be fairly close to have drafting help from vehicles.

https://youtu.be/HeYaSvB-pnw?t=47

Second time someone has said this in this thread. Not true at all. Go ride you ride your bike behind a car. You will still notice slipstream with a 5 metre gap

I think it was said Monza was quite a bit more humid than they wanted, so adding a few degrees of temperature in exchange for lower humidity might be the tradeoff they want.

I motorpace a national champion. I'm aware of slipstreams and bicycles.

FFF wrote:

I motorpace a national champion. I'm aware of slipstreams and bicycles.

You probably didn't mean it, but you sounded like a total douche with that "I motorpace a national champion" line. Be better, champ (helper).

FFF wrote:

I motorpace a national champion. I'm aware of slipstreams and bicycles.

More of this please

2miler wrote:

Martymart wrote:

Official start time:

11:15pm pacific

2:15am eastern

Set your alarm!

Anyone know if there will be a reply to watch if one is not up at whatever time in the middle of the night to watch it live on YouTube? Will the live stream just be able to be replayed when we go to it on YouTube?

Bump ^^^

Bootsontheground wrote:

I ran the course at noon today and it’s still pretty shady in parts at that time. I think that they are hoping for a small reduction in humidity with the later start. And being in among so many trees, the temp felt cooler than when I was out of the Prater on the way back to my hotel.

Yes there is an article on the 159 website where they explain it's a balance between temp and humidity. Not going to complain about the later than expected start anyway ;-) I'll be planning on running the course tomorrow afternoon!

This is a hard rule to enforce. Team GB had custom superbikes for the Olympics a couple of years ago that would not have been allowed by a very similar rule. They got around it easily by pointing out that, in fact, if you went to the 16th tab on the team website, navigated through a few links, filled in the from and were prepared to wait six months you could indeed buy the same bike for the low, low price of $100k.

Truth is there's always hundreds of pairs of these shoes kicking around by the time they're ready to wear for anyone and Nike could find a way round any rule if (a) it looks like it's actually going to be enforced and (b) they're not ready yet for mass production.

Unrelated anecodote - I was part of the first cohort of "Project Moonshot" in NYC and we all got 4%s for free well ahead of their general release. Then we got an "exclusive opportunity to buy!", for $600, the same model Kipchoge actually wore for Sub-2 (Vaporfly Elite? I don't recall). I skipped it, obviously, but was later chatting to a sneakerhead who'd taken them up on it and bought a size 9 (he's 10.5) for the resale value. He made an appointment with someone on the internet to sell them on the corner of 5th and 23rd 15 minutes after picking them up. And did so. For $6,000.

BmoreRunner wrote:

I think it was said Monza was quite a bit more humid than they wanted, so adding a few degrees of temperature in exchange for lower humidity might be the tradeoff they want.

Which I also find weird. How could they have overlooked that? The conditions in Monza sounded like a typical morning in Orange County, CA almost. Which is nice, no doubt, but not ideal. You'd think Death Valley in March would be more ideal. Or somewhere in the desert.

Anyways. Ride your bike at 13mph. You can feel some wind for sure. That resistance has to add up in terms of energy expenditure over the course of 2hrs of running.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

ZidaneValor wrote:

So just for my own sanity, the race starts in less than 15 hours from now, correct?

8:15 am CEST (Europe)

2:15 am EST (US)

11:35 pm PST (US)

They rather choose to run in 9C/48F at start and are okay with ending in 12C/54F in sun than to start at 7C/44F which is interesting. I would have chosen the 7C, as the 12C in sunny conditions definitely have some effect but everyone got his own ideal temperature.

11 hours to go. Here's a countdown timer:

Clown shoes And Clown juice for this clown show... ...

Will they be drinking the nasa developed clown juice too .

Ineos not happy with hijacking the tour de france this year .

welcome to the clown world .

How to notice Kipchoge and pacemakers on the Hauptallee?

1) They are by far the slowest guys running. Most runners in Vienna run between 4:00-6:00/k on the Hauptallee (6:30/mi-9:00/mi), I've yet to see Kipchoge and the pacemakers run faster than 9-10 min/mi or 6:30/k.

There are many videos recorded by recreational runners like this one:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3d961zn6A1/?igshid=sr6thg1v6cn2

2) They almost NEVER run on the sub 2 track (asphalt in middle), but always either somewhere in the forest or on the "horse path" right next to it.

We keep blaming genetics and drugs for the success of these runners (mostly African's), but are afraid to run REALLY easy on recovery days (since they are mostly sub 28 guys, equivalent recovery pace for most of us would be 10-12 min/mi). We should learn from then instead of sticking to the classic American/Western philosophy of harder=better!

Truthteller of dumbness wrote:

The truthteller wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGtcCeTvtYk

Oh yeah...I’d forgotten about how my foot completely folds in half with every step I take.

Maybe instead of watching inane videos that don’t remotely replicate running you go put on a couple different pairs of carbon plated shoes and then complain about one in particular.

It doesnt matter. You put the same amount of pressure in both carbon-plate shoes and those without them, but you get more spring from the former. If you have a video that compares different carbon-plate shoes, post it here.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

How to notice Kipchoge and pacemakers on the Hauptallee?

1) They are by far the slowest guys running. Most runners in Vienna run between 4:00-6:00/k on the Hauptallee (6:30/mi-9:00/mi), I've yet to see Kipchoge and the pacemakers run faster than 9-10 min/mi or 6:30/k.

2) They almost NEVER run on the sub 2 track (asphalt in middle), but always either somewhere in the forest or on the "horse path" right next to it.

We keep blaming genetics and drugs for the success of these runners (mostly African's), but are afraid to run REALLY easy on recovery days (since they are mostly sub 28 guys, equivalent recovery pace for most of us would be 10-12 min/mi). We should learn from then instead of sticking to the classic American/Western philosophy of harder=better!

While I agree with the premise, I think the very easy pace for these guys is close to the same very easy pace for even a 40 minute 10K runner. It's not like they take strolls any faster than anyone else.

Kipchoge averages 5:20/mile pace on his easy days (18 km in an hour)

wokka wokka wrote:

While I agree with the premise, I think the very easy pace for these guys is close to the same very easy pace for even a 40 minute 10K runner. It's not like they take strolls any faster than anyone else.

True, fully agree with you. We are talking here about true recovery runs - if the elites are doing them at 9-10 min/mile, chances are a 40 min 10k guy can also do them at 10 min/mile. These don't do anything to improve fitness, just to help the legs achieve full recovery faster.

One problem many recreational runners have is they only have one easy pace - in the 40 min 10k example it might be 7:30/mi, or 8:00/mi. But they never run any slower, no matter how beat up they are from a workout or race. This is where people need to be smart, run with someone way slower than them and allow them to recover fast so they can hit their other days much better than if they run 7:30/mi or 8:00/mi on a day that should have been a true recovery run.

Hardloper wrote:

Kipchoge averages 5:20/mile pace on his easy days (18 km in an hour)

Read my previous post - we differentiate between normal easy days, that improve fitness a lot (also the pace of normal long runs), and recovery days or as the other guy called them "very easy" days.

27 min 10k guy (Kipchoge):

easy day - 5:20/mi

recovery day - 9:30/mi

40 min 10k guy

easy day - 8:00/mi

recovery day - 9:30/mi

You see, there is a big difference in race pace as well as easy run pace. But for true recovery runs, the 10k guy doesn't need to slow down to 12:00/mi to get the benefits, even for him 9:30/mi should be slow enough to be a jog/shuffle and allow for full recovery. That was the point the other guy tried to make.