Editor's Note: This thread started out talking about Kipchoge's shoes entitled, "Are these the 1:59 spring shoes?" but we've turned it into the official race thread.
zoomzoomzoom will flip out at these:
https://www.believeintherun.com/2019/10/09/a-breakdown-of-the-nike-kipchoge-prototype/
summary
might be called the AlphaFly
uses pods resembling zoom air units but filled with fluid or foam.
stack height goes "full retar.d"
probably will see official photos come out during the INEOS event
at this point just drive behind him with a fan the whole way why not
It's so sad that such a talented and accomplished marathoner as Kipchoge is compromising his credibility with this contrived vanity project. "No human is limited", sure.
Wildhorse wrote:
It's so sad that such a talented and accomplished marathoner as Kipchoge is compromising his credibility with this contrived vanity project. "No human is limited", sure.
Wow, you're not being dramatic or hyperbolic at all...
New spring shoes wrote:
zoomzoomzoom will flip out at these:
https://www.believeintherun.com/2019/10/09/a-breakdown-of-the-nike-kipchoge-prototype/
That is one fugly shoe.
Wildhorse wrote:
It's so sad that such a talented and accomplished marathoner as Kipchoge is compromising his credibility with this contrived vanity project. "No human is limited", sure.
"Alas, the storm is come again! My best way is to creep under his gaberdine; there is no other shelter hereabout: misery acquaints a man with strange bed-fellows."
So I guess you guys would not prefer he raced Berlin? Or Chicago? Or any other real race, in real race conditions, with the same shoes as everyone else?
Well, you get what you deserve, then. Breaking2 was meaningless, and this will matter even less.
Kipchoge is the marathon GOAT, and this should be beneath him.
Do they work? See all the BTC elite times from CIM last year. You bet they do!
Who gives a sh*t? I'm worried about my running. What shoes he is wearing and what he is doing race-wise has no impact on what I need to (legally) do to get across the finish line as fast as possible.
Those are indeed the spring shoes. People shouldn't be surprised if he runs 1:58.59.
They are also so fuggin ugly.
Better watch the cant on the 1:59 road, or the corners. The greater the stack height, the greater the instability - and these ultra fast guys are all pronating like mad in the first place.
I can see an event-ending injury just as easily as I can see a sub-2, but I'm not sure how Nike will spin it after replays show Kipchoge essentially spraining an ankle.
FFF wrote:
Better watch the cant on the 1:59 road, or the corners. The greater the stack height, the greater the instability - and these ultra fast guys are all pronating like mad in the first place.
I can see an event-ending injury just as easily as I can see a sub-2, but I'm not sure how Nike will spin it after replays show Kipchoge essentially spraining an ankle.
Dude runs miles and miles of repeats in these on a dirt track. I'm betting he'll be fine. Betting your kids wear helmets on their bikes or get grounded, huh?
Not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape about advances in shoe technology. If you have any sort of understanding of mechanics/physics you would realize that at the end of the day a shoe is a passive device and does not "give" any energy to a person. Energy is put in, and then you get some percentage back out that is less than 100% of what went in. The advances Nike and other shoe companies have been able to make are simply reducing losses and moving that input to output ratio slightly upward. There is a limit of how far a passive device like this can go... you can't go beyond 100%. All the energy to do the work of running is still coming from the human.
Until shoes start to become active devices with their own form of energy to give to a person (i.e. battery etc.), I'm not sure why people take issue with engineers working hard to improve the energy return efficiency of some foam, rubber, plates, and air pockets. Even a spring is a passive device with an energy return less than 100%, same rules apply. We commonly accept running times ran on a track, which is paved with a passive material designed to maximize energy return like Mondo... but if we do the same thing to shoes it is suddenly impure?
This has always been a thing in sport, the athlete provides the energy by burning calories, and the goal of the "equipment" is to waste as little of it as possible allowing more of it to do work. Let it go.
As the event approaches, I had two thoughts.
1) Are they going to be letting him draft off a car with a huge scoreboard on top of it like last time as experts thought it made a big difference?
2) Are they going to be using an even newer and improved version of cheaterflies that will let him run26 seconds faster?
The answer appears to be yes and yes.
Here is a pic from the test event of the car.
https://res.cloudinary.com/project-159/image/upload/w_1200/v1567424030/s8wtxrjuio1u6fi7njnv.jpg
And Jonathan Gault shared this with me from twitter:
https://twitter.com/Crazie_Daizee/status/1181950225516302336
BasicPhysics wrote:
Not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape about advances in shoe technology. If you have any sort of understanding of mechanics/physics you would realize that at the end of the day a shoe is a passive device and does not "give" any energy to a person. Energy is put in, and then you get some percentage back out that is less than 100% of what went in. The advances Nike and other shoe companies have been able to make are simply reducing losses and moving that input to output ratio slightly upward. There is a limit of how far a passive device like this can go... you can't go beyond 100%. All the energy to do the work of running is still coming from the human.
Until shoes start to become active devices with their own form of energy to give to a person (i.e. battery etc.), I'm not sure why people take issue with engineers working hard to improve the energy return efficiency of some foam, rubber, plates, and air pockets. Even a spring is a passive device with an energy return less than 100%, same rules apply. We commonly accept running times ran on a track, which is paved with a passive material designed to maximize energy return like Mondo... but if we do the same thing to shoes it is suddenly impure?
This has always been a thing in sport, the athlete provides the energy by burning calories, and the goal of the "equipment" is to waste as little of it as possible allowing more of it to do work. Let it go.
BasicPhysics wrote:
Not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape about advances in shoe technology. If you have any sort of understanding of mechanics/physics you would realize that at the end of the day a shoe is a passive device and does not "give" any energy to a person. Energy is put in, and then you get some percentage back out that is less than 100% of what went in. The advances Nike and other shoe companies have been able to make are simply reducing losses and moving that input to output ratio slightly upward. There is a limit of how far a passive device like this can go... you can't go beyond 100%. All the energy to do the work of running is still coming from the human.
Until shoes start to become active devices with their own form of energy to give to a person (i.e. battery etc.), I'm not sure why people take issue with engineers working hard to improve the energy return efficiency of some foam, rubber, plates, and air pockets. Even a spring is a passive device with an energy return less than 100%, same rules apply. We commonly accept running times ran on a track, which is paved with a passive material designed to maximize energy return like Mondo... but if we do the same thing to shoes it is suddenly impure?
This has always been a thing in sport, the athlete provides the energy by burning calories, and the goal of the "equipment" is to waste as little of it as possible allowing more of it to do work. Let it go.
You're full of sh*t, Nike shill.
Nike was all about the FREE BS for years, until they stumbled upon Foam 343 or whatever. Remember Oscar "The Blade Runner?" Same thing here. Carbon fiber manipulated for better energy return. Just like in golf clubs, bats, etc. The freeking shoes BOUNCE when you bend them, two or three times higher or further than standard shoes.
AND IF THE SHOES ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO ALL, THEY'RE ILLEGAL TO USE ANYWAY.
I agree with Robert or Weldon or whoever said it, EVERY finish by a runner in Cheaterflys needs an asterisk. The official marathon world record is still Dennis, and you know it.
This is absolutely full re.t.a.rd
Sub-2 is going to happen for real, on a "real" course before the Olympics anyway. I wonder if they're using CB radios, slap bracelets, or fidget spinners as part of this moronic effort.
I see they switched over to an Audi eTron rather than a Tesla.
