Kara Goucher Speaks Out About Alberto and NOP!

Autocorrect. Meant to type Galen Rupp.

not this sh*t again wrote:

Taro wrote:

And my dictionary defines trafficking as to "deal or trade in something illegal." Salazar neither dealt nor traded in testosterone; he used it only on his son as a test to see if an athlete could be sabotaged with it, which is a legitimate concern in light of what Justin Gatlin claims happened to him.

So how is Salazar guilty of "trafficking" in testosterone, as USADA claims?

Because your dictionary is not the WADA code.

So WADA's definition of trafficking differs from the standard English-language definition? In what way?

Besides, when the press reports that Salazar was found guilty of "trafficking," as many outlets of done, the reader of course assumes they're using the term in its usual sense.

Defined wrote:

Salazar admitted to using drugs as an athlete. He admitted it. He is by definition a drug cheat.

Evidence? Links?

Since Kara was interviewed by Women's Running, now I'd like to see her interviewed by Men's Running . They make have a somewhat different approach.

More importantly, I'd like to know who decided that a 4-year ban was appropriate for Salazar. Was it the arbitration panel or USADA? And what was their rationale for it?

Seems pretty harsh to me, when you consider that athletes who have actually doped have received shorter suspensions.

av4 wrote:

Might have an answer wrote:

I'm going to link it below. They discuss the "inner ring" of Galen, Darren and Alberto, as well as their disappointment with Nike CEO Mark Parker. They discuss how it was Galen Kara was told to go ask for Cytomel. They also discuss how when Kara got pregnant, Mo joined and things at NOP to a huge turn for the worse. It's really interesting.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-14-kara-adam-goucher-on-4-year-bans-for-salazar/id1466187704?i=1000452633967

16:30 in is when she addresses from 2011

Listened to the whole thing, very interesting. Yes start at 16:30 for the 2011 stuff.

But the MOST interesting snippet is at 18:20 - she discusses going to the Prefontaine Classic in 2011 and watches "one of her teammates" perform and "did not believe what she saw". When she talked to Adam (her husband) about it he asked if she thought they were cheating and she said "yes". [note: she does not mention any name(s)]

So I looked up the 2011 Pre results - maybe I'm missing something but I only see ONE performance by a NOP athlete that really stands out given that athlete's previous performance history at that point in time. You be the judge:

Prefontaine Classic

Eugene, OR, 04/06/2011

Men' results

100 Metres - Men Wind: +1.3 m/s

1 Mullings , Steve JAM 9.80

2 Rodgers , Mike USA 9.85

3 Carter , Nesta JAM 9.92

4 Patton , Darvis USA 9.94

5 Frater , Michael JAM 9.94

6 Gatlin , Justin USA 9.97

7 Thompson , Richard TRI 10.01

8 Williams , Ivory USA 10.02

200 Metres - Men Wind: +1.1 m/s

Pts

1 Dix , Walter USA 20.19 4

2 Saidy Ndure , Jaysuma NOR 20.26 2

3 Martina , Churandy NED 20.39 1

4 Sorrillo , Rondel TRI 20.51

5 Carter , Xavier USA 20.55

6 Callander , Emmanuel TRI 20.67

7 Kimmons , Trell USA 20.71

8 Dixon , Leroy USA 20.79

400 Metres - Men

Pts

1 Taylor , Angelo USA 45.16 4

2 Wariner , Jeremy USA 45.43 2

3 Borl�e , K�vin BEL 45.51 1

4 Neville , David USA 45.70

5 Bingham , Michael GBR 45.74

6 Jackson , Bershawn USA 45.91

7 Scott , Joshua USA 46.16

8 Pistorius , Oscar RSA 46.33

800 Metres - Men

1 Kaki , Abubaker SUD 1:43.68

2 Robinson , Khadevis USA 1:45.40

3 Lalang , Boaz Kiplagat KEN 1:45.49

4 Kivuva , Jackson Mumbwa KEN 1:45.82

5 Wheating , Andrew USA 1:45.95

6 Renshaw , Lachlan AUS 1:46.11

7 Mulder , Tyler USA 1:46.39

8 Symmonds , Nick USA 1:46.78

Manzano , Leonel USA DNF

Scherer , Matthew USA DNF

One Mile - Men Race 1

1 Gregson , Ryan AUS 3:53.86

2 Torrence , David USA 3:54.01

3 Blankenship , Ben USA 3:54.10

4 Yego , Alfred Kirwa KEN 3:55.18

5 Miller , Kyle USA 3:55.38

6 Kemboi , Nicholas Kiptanui KEN 3:56.19

7 Jager , Evan USA 3:56.21

8 Aman , Mohammed ETH 3:57.14

9 Ali , Belal Mansoor BRN 4:05.22

Rankin , Jon CAY DNF

Stanford , Travis USA DNF

Gathimba , Gideon KEN DNS

One Mile - Men Race 2

Pts

1 Keitany , Haron KEN 3:49.09 4

2 Kiplagat , Silas KEN 3:49.39 2

3 Kiprop , Asbel KEN 3:49.55 1

4 Gebremedhin , Mekonnen ETH 3:49.70

5 Ndiku , Caleb Mwangangi KEN 3:49.77

6 Komen , Daniel Kipchirchir KEN 3:50.29

7 Alamirew , Yenew ETH 3:50.43

8 Moustaoui , Mohamed MAR 3:50.67

9 Brown , Russell USA 3:51.45

10 Willis , Nicholas NZL 3:51.95

11 Gathimba , Gideon KEN 3:53.76

12 Lomong , Lopez USA 3:53.85

Wieczorek , Mark USA DNF

Kithii , Josphat Mitunga KEN DNF

Two Miles - Men

1 Lagat , Bernard USA 8:13.62

2 Soi , Edwin Cheruiyot KEN 8:14.10

3 Koech , Isiah Kiplangat KEN 8:14.16

4 Bekele , Tariku ETH 8:15.40

5 Tegenkamp , Matthew USA 8:15.88

6 Kipchoge , Eliud KEN 8:16.74

7 Birmingham , Collis AUS 8:17.91

8 Bett , David Kiprotich KEN 8:18.72

9 Leer , Will USA 8:19.11

10 Bumbalough , Andrew USA 8:21.65

11 Verzbickas , Lukas LTU 8:29.46

McNamara , Jordan USA DNF

Haas , Stephen USA DNF

Milne , Taylor CAN DNF

10,000 Metres - Men

1 Farah , Mohammed GBR 26:46.57

2 Merga , Imane ETH 26:48.35

3 Kipkoech , Josphat Bett KEN 26:48.99

4 Tanui , Paul Kipngetich KEN 26:50.63

5 Tadese , Zersenay ERI 26:51.09

6 Sihine , Sileshi ETH 26:52.84

7 Kisorio , Mathew Kipkoech KEN 26:54.25

8 Kiptoo , Mark Kosgey KEN 26:54.64

9 Komon , Leonard Patrick KEN 26:55.29

10 Kipsang , Geoffrey KEN 27:06.35

11 Masai , Moses Ndiema KEN 27:10.05

12 Rotich , Lucas Kimeli KEN 27:12.24

13 Cheruiyot , John Kemboi KEN 27:22.09

14 Kuma , Abera ETH 27:22.54

15 Kigen , Mike Kipruto KEN 27:30.61

16 Medhin , Teklemariam ERI 27:37.21

17 Abshero , Ayele ETH 27:48.84

18 Masai , Dennis Chepkongin KEN 27:51.92

19 Salel , Daniel Lemashon KEN 28:04.63

Cragg , Alistair Ian IRL DNF

Ebuya , Joseph KEN DNF

Longosiwa , Thomas Pkemei KEN DNF

Korir , Jacob KEN DNF

Nelson , Tim USA DNF

Solinsky , Chris USA DNF

Tadasse , Kidane ERI DNF

Rupp , Galen USA DNS

30,000 Metres - Men

1 Mosop , Moses Cheruiyot KEN 1:26:47.4

2 Kirui , Abel KEN 1:30:00.1

3 Macharinyang , Hosea Mwok KEN 1:32:25.6

4 Chirlee , Joseph KEN 1:34:12.7

5 Ennani , Adil MAR 1:40:26.6

Beyi , Worku ETH DNF

Kibet , Stephen Kipkosgei KEN DNF

Kimurer , Joel Kemboi KEN DNF

Nigusse , Ketema ETH DNF

3000 Metres Steeplechase - Men

Pts

1 Kemboi , Ezekiel KEN 8:08.34 4

2 Koech , Paul Kipsiele KEN 8:10.13 2

3 Gari , Roba ETH 8:11.34 1

4 Ramolefi , Ruben RSA 8:24.95

5 Huling , Daniel USA 8:25.95

6 Alcorn , Kyle USA 8:26.88

7 Nelson , William USA 8:28.67

8 Bruce , Ben USA 8:37.27

9 Slattery , Steve USA 8:50.95

10 Abdi , Youcef AUS 8:52.32

Scott , Derek USA DNF

Lagat , Haron KEN DNF

110 Metres Hurdles - Men Wind: +1.8 m/s

Pts

1 Oliver , David USA 12.94 4

2 Liu , Xiang CHN 13.00 2

3 Merritt , Aries USA 13.18 1

4 Turner , Andrew GBR 13.33

5 Eaton , Ashton USA 13.35

6 Wilson , Ryan USA 13.41

7 Shi , Dongpeng CHN 13.44

8 Ash , Ronnie USA 13.49

sillyman wrote:

You sound like Trump fans who shout 'Hillary's emails' whenever trump embarrasses the country with his behavior.

What has as athlete's career got to do with a coach found to be a doper?

An athlete's career is a small thing compared to the systematic doping of a coach.

1. Everything.

2. Gouchers ran for CU/Wetmore, where much of the team was seeing the Dr. Brown. If anything the Gouchers could be the linchpin to bringing down a much wider systematic doping than of a mere coach, one stretching from the college ranks to all of Nike, including not only NOP but the Schumacher spin off, and more.

Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:

But the MOST interesting snippet is at 18:20 - she discusses going to the Prefontaine Classic in 2011 and watches "one of her teammates" perform and "did not believe what she saw". When she talked to Adam (her husband) about it he asked if she thought they were cheating and she said "yes". [note: she does not mention any name(s)]

So I looked up the 2011 Pre results - maybe I'm missing something but I only see ONE performance by a NOP athlete that really stands out given that athlete's previous performance history at that point in time. You be the judge:

Tough one that.

Would it start with 'M'?

iuzihjiajudh wrote:

sillyman wrote:

You sound like Trump fans who shout 'Hillary's emails' whenever trump embarrasses the country with his behavior.

What has as athlete's career got to do with a coach found to be a doper?

An athlete's career is a small thing compared to the systematic doping of a coach.

1. Everything.

2. Gouchers ran for CU/Wetmore, where much of the team was seeing the Dr. Brown. If anything the Gouchers could be the linchpin to bringing down a much wider systematic doping than of a mere coach, one stretching from the college ranks to all of Nike, including not only NOP but the Schumacher spin off, and more.

I keep seeing people post this link between CU runners and Brown. "much of the team" . that is laughable. As a runner for CU during that time period, I didn't know a single person with this connection. Where is this coming from? We had a few CU sports med docs who worked with all the teams whose solution to everything was to stop running. lol

[quote]Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:

But the MOST interesting snippet is at 18:20 - she discusses going to the Prefontaine Classic in 2011 and watches "one of her teammates" perform and "did not believe what she saw". When she talked to Adam (her husband) about it he asked if she thought they were cheating and she said "yes". [note: she does not mention any name(s)]

Oh yea if Adam said so it must be true... Seriously how sad a world do we live in?!?! Someone can just throw out wild accusations without zero proof and it is taken as "evidence". This bitter woman is destroying peoples lives. Shame on you Kara. Maybe it was hard for her to see that she never got as close to Alberto as she wanted to ("inner circle"). And then this new super talented athlete comes along who all of a sudden gets more attention than her. Let's face it Kara has done exceptionally well runningwise for someone with probably mediocre talent.

Alberto is done - shamed for life as are his "project" piglets (Galen, Mo, Centro). Only way to help the sport now would be for Alberto to CONFESS it all and help clean up the mess Nike has facilitated.

I guess you weren't in the inner circle, just as Kara was not in the NOP inner circle.

Poor Kara. Alberto (her father figure) loved one of his other children more than her. Booohoooo

Taro wrote:

not this sh*t again wrote:

Because your dictionary is not the WADA code.

So WADA's definition of trafficking differs from the standard English-language definition? In what way?

Besides, when the press reports that Salazar was found guilty of "trafficking," as many outlets of done, the reader of course assumes they're using the term in its usual sense.

Read the code. Then read the decision. I cannot read the code and the decision FOR you. I've already read both of them and it is very clearly that Salazar's actions meet the definiation of trafficking in there.

stop being a fucking imbecile wrote:

Taro wrote:

So WADA's definition of trafficking differs from the standard English-language definition? In what way?

Besides, when the press reports that Salazar was found guilty of "trafficking," as many outlets of done, the reader of course assumes they're using the term in its usual sense.

Read the code. Then read the decision. I cannot read the code and the decision FOR you. I've already read both of them and it is very clearly that Salazar's actions meet the definiation of trafficking in there.

It should be fairly easy to copy and paste the passage of the code that you claim backs your assertion. But just as I thought. you really have no idea what you're talking about. Go away.

Taro wrote:

stop being a fucking imbecile wrote:

Read the code. Then read the decision. I cannot read the code and the decision FOR you. I've already read both of them and it is very clearly that Salazar's actions meet the definiation of trafficking in there.

It should be fairly easy to copy and paste the passage of the code that you claim backs your assertion. But just as I thought. you really have no idea what you're talking about. Go away.

You have my sympathy. Being both stupid and lazy is a tough way to go through life. Best wishes.

I say it how I see it wrote:

[quote]Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:

But the MOST interesting snippet is at 18:20 - she discusses going to the Prefontaine Classic in 2011 and watches "one of her teammates" perform and "did not believe what she saw". When she talked to Adam (her husband) about it he asked if she thought they were cheating and she said "yes". [note: she does not mention any name(s)]

Oh yea if Adam said so it must be true... Seriously how sad a world do we live in?!?! ...

You say how you see it, but then again, you don't see very well do you? Pretty sad indeed.

casual obsever wrote:

The evidence provided though was not sufficient for a conviction (see 316).

Insufficient evidence? End of discussion.

'M' wrote:

Just Another Run of the Mill ex-D1 er wrote:

But the MOST interesting snippet is at 18:20 - she discusses going to the Prefontaine Classic in 2011 and watches "one of her teammates" perform and "did not believe what she saw". When she talked to Adam (her husband) about it he asked if she thought they were cheating and she said "yes". [note: she does not mention any name(s)]

So I looked up the 2011 Pre results - maybe I'm missing something but I only see ONE performance by a NOP athlete that really stands out given that athlete's previous performance history at that point in time. You be the judge:

Tough one that.

Would it start with 'M'?

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Perhaps, and that's "obot" all I can say. ??