Official Doha WCs Day 9 (Saturday) Discussion Thread

Gplusa wrote:

3:51 is obviously as dodgy as, but Hassan has hardly been an Also Ran. Her results have never been consistent in her early career because she always went with the pace. She crashed and burned a lot, but her mindset was to always go for the win.

Well, she's still "going for the win" - but the results are rather different now.

Sifan's previous coach (Hoedt) made her run 3:56, and back then, it was difficult to motivate her to do more than one session per day. Her technique was awful. Salazar picked her up, as it was low hanging fruit. As such the progression is quite believable, as believable as Rudisha running 1:40.91

Remember the Radcliffe Rule wrote:

oldlegs wrote:

Here is what I know...Debues-Stafford is NOT doping (she is in my club), and just smashed the Canadian record by 3.5 seconds in 3:56.12....

With all respect, you do NOT know whether GDS is doping. The only person who knows is her.

Unless she's brewing something up in her bathtub, her supplier also knows. And who knows who he/she is telling.

a bloo bloo wrote:

TrackAddict wrote:

Salazar has been under investigation for years. It was honestly be the dumbest thing to have your runners doped up to the gills while battling a doping case. That’s what’s wrong with the track community. They complain about doping ruining the sport but at the same time are always looking for people to accuse of doping. They don’t even enjoy fast times. The first thing they do is accuse of doping. Until there’s concrete proof or plausible evidence, just enjoy the sport and stop pointing fingers.

I think that current doping methods are probably better than testing is. The problem with the track community is the dopers. No one should watch this sport without being skeptical given its history.

I just finished reading Jonathan Vaughters new book. Found it interesting that he said the biological passport isn't really in place to stop doping so much as it is to keep people from Doping with a capital D. He said that means yes people can still blood dope, but now they can only use 350ml instead of a full liter. It's similar to when the UCI implemented the 50% hematocrit rule; they weren't putting an end to the doping, but it was a lot better than having guys at 60%.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Vancomycin wrote:

She's 26...

I am curious about people's theories here. L-carnitine is legal - it definitely doesn't make you a 3:52 and 4:12 runner, what do people think Salazar's is actually doing?

It isn't what people "think" Alberto is doing; he has been found guilty of doping violations earning a 4-year ban. In the words of the investigating authority, the USADA, he was "orchestrating and facilitating prohibited doping practices" - in either words, doping his athletes.

Except the the decision never said at any point that he had doped any of his athletes aside from Magness. So your statement is incorrect.

“Prohibited doping practices” =\= “Doping his athletes.” The WADA regs are way more comprehensive than that

Masback is right, KK looks like she is out for a jog.

yeah he just had the dope he wasn't using it haha that makes sense

2 laps to go. Obiri has led the whole way

kmaclam wrote:

Masback is right, KK looks like she is out for a jog.

That's what drugs do. Look at all the other 5 runners faces and then on Koko's. She is running at no effort, the others are all struggling to maintain this pace. This IS doping.

Obiri with a CR 14:28. KK third.

How big of an asterisk do we put next to KoKo's bronze since that baby wa so watered down? Why didn't the Ethiopians let the silver medallist from the 10k double? Muir. Houlihan. etc.

kmaclam wrote:

2 laps to go. Obiri has led the whole way

Obiri led the whole way, kept pace honest and then put down the hammer on the last 400. She was running the last lap like a 400m sprinter, driving arms and high knee lift etc. What a performance.

You can only race who shows up.

I understand where you’re coming from. But if people are skeptical over EVERY fast distance time, they’ll never enjoy the progress in the sport. It’s human nature. As time goes on, people get faster and records get broken.

Sometimes, the logic isnt fully cooked wrote:

There are no allegations of EPO or other traditional “doping” drugs. Just L-carnitine and some testosterone tests.

Just trying to be objective here...that sh*t probably wouldn’t yield a race like Hassan just ran, only recover really well and feel fresh

AND, if any of you think she or the NOP are dumb enough to do that in Doha with the latest charges....you are much dumber.

It's pretty dumb not to grasp that Salazar was doping; to earn a 4-year ban the USADA said he was "orchestrating and facilitating prohibited doping practices" - how much clearer than that can it be? Where is the "grey" and the harmless in that?

It's also pretty dumb not to realise that this doping didn't start last week; he's been doing it for years and we are likely again seeing the fruits of it - rotten as they are - in Doha, the Dirty Games.

BZ wrote:

Sifan's previous coach (Hoedt) made her run 3:56, and back then, it was difficult to motivate her to do more than one session per day. Her technique was awful. Salazar picked her up, as it was low hanging fruit. As such the progression is quite believable, as believable as Rudisha running 1:40.91

Exactly. I recently read where she said Salazar's training was so much more demanding that she didn't think she could maintain when she first started. For years, we have seen NOP athletes doing workouts after major races etc. Years and years of this. I have been coming on letsrun.com since the early 2000's. Salazar was being smeared all the time way back then. The mickey mouse stuff he got charged with is pathetic. Even the report talked about Salazar and his diligence in making sure his athletes were not doping in terms that were damn near apologetic to him! There is nothing about him doping any runner in the report.

Second fastest 5 over 5000 in history. Only Rabat last year beats it.

As big as your dick I.e. tiny

rojo wrote:

How big of an asterisk do we put next to KoKo's bronze since that baby wa so watered down? Why didn't the Ethiopians let the silver medallist from the 10k double? Muir. Houlihan. etc.

Cr wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

It isn't what people "think" Alberto is doing; he has been found guilty of doping violations earning a 4-year ban. In the words of the investigating authority, the USADA, he was "orchestrating and facilitating prohibited doping practices" - in either words, doping his athletes.

Except the the decision never said at any point that he had doped any of his athletes aside from Magness. So your statement is incorrect.

“Prohibited doping practices” =\= “Doping his athletes.” The WADA regs are way more comprehensive than that

They couldn't produce evidence of his athletes being doped - which isn't saying they weren't doped. But if he was "orchestrating" doping practices, who was he doing it for - his mother?