HASSAN , BRAZIER , KEJELCHA, are all TAINTED now

Anyone who has run under Salazar is now suspect, even Goucher and Ritz. Sure, they testified, but they likely could have been doping as well, and just pissed enough to come forward and point fingers.

The Ethiopian federation is going to force Kejelcha to leave the NOP (possibly the U.S.) just like they did with Dibaba and Jama Aden.

why just them? wrote:

Anyone who has run under Salazar is now suspect, even Goucher and Ritz. Sure, they testified, but they likely could have been doping as well, and just pissed enough to come forward and point fingers.

When a large organized crime figure is arrested and convicted, one of her/his lieutenants has turned against the boss. Lieutenants of organized crime figures are always criminals.

With all the dirt on Sleazy Sal, it was clear that they (along with any NOP athlete), were tainted, even before the ban.

If great performances by Salazar's runners taint them, do poor performances (Murphy) clear the runners who had them?

Nothing is tainted or everything is tainted, positive tests are the only real proof.

I accept the performances then get pissed at the cheaters when they get caught.

OK- I personally know a clean athlete who was once, on this message board, accused of doping.

She's not Nike.

She (and her father) laugh off the losers on the MB who go around accusing athletes with no real proof.

I get your point, in the big scheme of things it's not important.

However, tell that to the athletes who make a living out it, to those whose only chance to improve in life is this small window of years where they need to maximize their earnings. This applies to all sports, not only running.

Sadly, I'm pretty sure you don't get to be the best (let's say top 20? ) of your professional career with out that "what ever means necessary attitude", this applies to anything. not just sports.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

This is all on Nike and Salazar. Hell you now have to question Nike with the breaking 2 project as well as Kipchoge.

Mo couldn’t beat anyone and turned into a world beater.

Hassan has quality, but couldn’t beat the top guns or get gold. Now she is a world beater and breaking records

Donovan was quality but now he is destroying all comers and breaking AR.

Same thing with Centro, but he was smart enough to get out of dodge as well as MO.

Hassan and Yomif are highly trained by Salazar with everything they do, as well as Murphy, Rupp, and Hasay.

Nike running is really tainted, and throw Coleman and Gatlin in there as well.

I will not look at Hassan the same way or Yomif. Hassan couldn’t beat Obiri on her own natural ability.

How are they tainted now? All the information we have is exactly the same as it was one week ago. They are no more or less tainted than they are then.

If anything, they are less tainted, as the primary findings of the two arbitration panels was that Salazar didn't do anything nefarious with his athletes, he crossed the line doing testing with people like Magness or his son, in order to ensure he was compliant with the rules.

As arbitration sees it, and they are privy to more evidence than we are, they were highly impressed with how careful Salazar was being to ensure he did not engage in doping whatsoever. Ironically, in his care to ensure his athletes weren't cheating, he broke WADA (and legal?) rules himself, thus the ban.

I'm baffled at how anyone thinks this taints the group. Arbitrations decision makes NOP athletes look much better. Before we had just a bunch of shady evidence. Now we have arbitration saying that after ALL the evidence and testimony they were privy to they were thoughoughly impressed by Salazar's determination to ensure his athlete were not cheating.

The problem is that these passages how impressed they were with the care AS took ring false in view of a four year ban. The repeated insisting that AS was so careful and that there was no evidence that former or current athletes were doped doesn't fit with a four year ban for trivial offenses or technicalities. That's why many people think there must be much worse things they don't have enough evidence for or that are somehow hushed up so they ban him for trivial technicalities like measure of non-banned substance per day, injection or infusion.. Don't have anything worse but 4 year ban, not very convincing.

I don't know what the reasons for such dissonances are. One could be that AS is a mere pawn who is banned to protect certain star athletes who are "cleared" in such fashion (because the ruling says there is no evidence for actually doping athletes etc.). Not hard to figure out who the NOP stars were in 2012.

It does fit in my mind. Why? Salazar blatantly and clearly crossed the line testing things out of Magness and with his son, and also trafficked substances. These are serious offenses, and warrant the 4 year ban.

Basically, AlSal was trying so hard and was as his personality, so paranoid of doing anything that would be illegal that he took illegal action on his own accord to ensure clean athletes. What he did was unquestionably against the rules. He went WAY too far.

Incorrect.

All of the mentioned athletes had taints since birth.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

This is all on Nike and Salazar. Hell you now have to question Nike with the breaking 2 project as well as Kipchoge.

Mo couldn’t beat anyone and turned into a world beater.

Hassan has quality, but couldn’t beat the top guns or get gold. Now she is a world beater and breaking records

Donovan was quality but now he is destroying all comers and breaking AR.

Same thing with Centro, but he was smart enough to get out of dodge as well as MO.

Hassan and Yomif are highly trained by Salazar with everything they do, as well as Murphy, Rupp, and Hasay.

Nike running is really tainted, and throw Coleman and Gatlin in there as well.

I will not look at Hassan the same way or Yomif. Hassan couldn’t beat Obiri on her own natural ability.

So does this mean every time these athletes win whining b!tches like you are going to bring it up?

Of course it does lol.

If they still praise Salazar, they could very well be dirty.

El Keniano wrote:

The Ethiopian federation is going to force Kejelcha to leave the NOP (possibly the U.S.) just like they did with Dibaba and Jama Aden.

Very disappointing if true.

Magness and the Gouchers have absolutely zero credibility.

LM wrote:

Ironically, in his care to ensure his athletes weren't cheating, he broke WADA (and legal?) rules himself, thus the ban.

What?

"to ensure his athletes weren't cheating", he committed an ADRV with Magness?

"to ensure his athletes weren't cheating", he had Brown falsify medical records?

"to ensure his athletes weren't cheating", he gave testo to his sons?

That makes no sense.

Alex87 wrote:

Salazar's camp was investigated for four years and nothing was found on any of the athletes to warrant sanctions. To me, the fact that no evidence was produced against these runners despite hardcore investigation by USADA makes them just about the least suspect group of runners out there.

I agree.

All these other pro runners bashing NOP seem more suspicious to me now. Someone mentioned this quote on here somewhere and it really fits: "Those who shout the loudest usually have the most to hide. "