PrZ wrote:
Lol Rudisha is irrelevant at this point. I think that’s pretty clear. Hasn’t done anything relevant for the past few years and will be 31 next year. Probably won’t even make the Kenyan Olympic team, let alone the final at the Kenyan Olympic trials. Brazier is king.
He should go to Nijmegen and get on whatever weight loss program Bekele was on
Rupp fan wrote:
This is impressive and all, but a healthy Rudisha is going to smash him in Tokyo.
The only thing Rudisha is going to smash in Tokyo is an automobile.
Star wrote:
AP5000 wrote:
I thought black pages were only for WRs?
Are you kidding me?
They always give black pages when an American distance runner does something good.
When was the last time an American distance runner set a world record?
Jim Ryun?
Jim Walmsley.
Donno knew what NOP was about and he joined anyway.
Say NOPe to NOP. Tainted performance. This is a shame.
Dril wrote:
rojo wrote:
1st post-ban NOP athlete absolutely lays a goose egg. Coincidence?
probably not. im sure it was in his head. definitely a load of bs for this ban to become public the night before his final.
Why? He signed up with AS knowing full well of his past. Roll with pigs, and you're going to get mud on you.
blargh wrote:
U.S.A., a (100 to 800)m nation. wrote:
We need to make U.S.A. an 800m friendly country. We need to make U.S. high school cross country friendly to 400m athletes. High mileage XC is not a good fit for some 400m athletes. College 400m/800m athletes who were 400m specialists in high school are not a good fit for college XC currently. We need to shorten high school XC to 3000m and shorten college XC to 5000m. Wasn't there a XC discussion at Texas A&M that forced Brazier's hand and influenced his decision to turn pro as early as he did? I know Brazier did not race XC his freshman school year at Texas A&M. There are so many sub-55 400m 14 year olds in U.S. We have to bring them along properly. Some go on to be sub-47 by age 22. If we can make high school XC more friendly for these potential elite 800m athletes; if we can make college XC more friendly for these potential elite 800m athletes, there is no reason why U.S. cannot have two or three men in W.C. & Olympic finals as a normal occurrence.
Interesting thoughts. I like the idea of shortening XC, there needs to be more races anyways, and more competitive ones for that matter. There's a reason high school XC is more fun to follow than NCAA. But I think inherently the 800m is a bit of a unicorn event in terms of real talent. Those 14 year olds that run sub 55 so rarely have the capability to ever run an actually elite mile. It's such a specific mix of disparate abilities to be a world class sub 1:45 800m runner. You have to be able to go sub 45 and sub 4. Brazier is obviously a once in 20-30 years talent, even more rare than a 3:55 high school miler. And to your point, I think the US is already a 800m country. Symmonds, Murphy, Berian, Brazier have all taken global medals in the last 6 years.
Murphy and Hoppel are of equal talent with Brazier. DB is just the Hot Hand at the moment.
2:08:13 wrote:
Star wrote:
Are you kidding me?
They always give black pages when an American distance runner does something good.
When was the last time an American distance runner set a world record?
Jim Ryun?
Jim Walmsley.
Beat me to it.
People on here will actually say that Brazier is coached by Julian and not AlSal so he’s doesn’t have association with him. Lol come on now, AlSal is the end of the program. Don’t be idiots and act like these are two completely separate entities
Amazing run. If he just runs through the line he prolly runs 1:41 but he was definitely hurting that last 50 meters.
Is he someone who could possibly go after the WR? Murphy disappointing but Hoppel almost steals a metal at the end. Great run for him. He's had a great year as well.
Naivefools wrote:
People on here will actually say that Brazier is coached by Julian and not AlSal so he’s doesn’t have association with him. Lol come on now, AlSal is the end of the program. Don’t be idiots and act like these are two completely separate entities
We will say the truth, yes. Brazier is coached by Julian.
Please point out specifically what in the USADA report implicates Brazier in any way. We'll be waiting.
Naivefools wrote:
People on here will actually say that Brazier is coached by Julian and not AlSal so he’s doesn’t have association with him. Lol come on now, AlSal is the end of the program. Don’t be idiots and act like these are two completely separate entities
what in the hek does this "The Panel has taken pains to note that Respondent made unintentional mistakes that violated the rules, apparently motivated by his desire to provide the very best results and training for athletes under his care. Unfortunately, that desire clouded his judgment in some instances, when his usual focus on the rules appears to have lapsed. " have to do with brazier?????? I'll be waiting.
Jim Walmsley Superfan wrote:
2:08:13 wrote:
Jim Walmsley.
Beat me to it.
Zach Bitter actually.
this is amazing!!! I clicked on the tweet but that NBC link showed the last 200m or so, is the full race anywhere?
Holy chitballs! I thought this [record] was safe for a loooong while!
Jgt11 wrote:
When Murphy joined NOP, he got no better at the 1500 and worse at the 800. If Pete's training isn't much different than Alberto's he should go back to his college coach Lee Labadie .
He's persona non grata there...kind of like mo Farah wanting to go back to Ethiopia.
Murphy's college coach (and Murphy's own opinion of himself) destroyed his 2017 season when he ran in two overlapping events at nationals and didn't make the team in either. He left his college coach after that season.
bpbungis wrote:
Gold in Doha!
POS ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK
1 Donavan BRAZIER USA 1:42.34 CR
2 Amel TUKA BIH 1:43.47 SB
Is this the largest winning margin in championship history?
TAA wrote:
bpbungis wrote:
Gold in Doha!
POS ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK
1 Donavan BRAZIER USA 1:42.34 CR
2 Amel TUKA BIH 1:43.47 SB
Is this the largest winning margin in championship history?
It says it is in LetsRun's review. I should venture out from the forum more often...
Reminds me of this race (kicking off fast pace from 300m out) except Vasquez and Brazier ran way faster on the first lap than Bungei and Bucher:
rojo wrote:
zxcvzxvc wrote:
Shame his coach was banned for four years today for doping his athletes.
Brazier is coached by Pete Julian.
Fastest splash page ever?
https://www.letsrun.com/splash-page/brazier-wins-800-gold-2019-doha-14234/
I keep seeing people post this, as if it exonerates Brazier from any wrongdoing.
Rojo, can you clear up for those that are not in the know, how being coached by Pete Julian is different from being coached by Salazar when they are part of the same dirty NOP program?
Do Murphy and Brazier train in different locations, does Pete Julian have a significantly different philosophy when it comes to the "gray zone"? Does he have a different approach to training in general?
Knowing more of the details would be helpful in disassociating Brazier from the now tainted NOP/Salazar/Nike package and this dumpster truck fire of a story that is unfolding before us. It's an epic fall from grace for the entire program, and until we know more, it's pretty hard to get excited about the performances of any NOP athletes including Brazier's new AR.
wasn't raevyn rogers' final 100 faster?