They went to Dr. Brown in like 2002, before it was known he had a shady rep. Wetmore would never allow someone to dope on his watch.
questioningmind wrote:
Is Wetmore scared at this point? H
e is the link between Goucher --> Brown --> NOP.
They went to Dr. Brown in like 2002, before it was known he had a shady rep. Wetmore would never allow someone to dope on his watch.
questioningmind wrote:
Is Wetmore scared at this point? H
e is the link between Goucher --> Brown --> NOP.
banned i got wrote:
Coevett wrote:
You're giving 3 names there over 20 years, all sprinters. American sprinting clearly has had a doping problem for decades, and likely most of the world has. It might be fair to ban the USA from all distances under 400m for an Olympic cycle, but that would obviously be seen as 'racist'.
American testing is among the best in the world. Kenya has over 50 athletes currently serving suspensions, and that's despite the abysmal and corrupt doping testing standards there that are only now slowly getting fixed (one hopes). The doping spans Olympic champions such as Kiprop to those competing in small road races around the world. Multiple documentaries and undercover journalism has exposed how easy it is to get EPO there. The manager of the Rio Olympic team recently got banned for ten years for giving athletes advanced notice of tests (for cash). A German documentary last week claims to have filmed two top athletes being injected with EPO, and a Kenyan doctor claiming to be doping EIGHT athletes on the Doha team.
That's why we should ban Kenya, and why they might be banned in the coming days when the AIU reports back to the IAAF.
just remember all you LRers, i said rup was a 28 low 2:09 guy clean....and i got crucified lol now look at you all bashing al sal and NOP as if this was some huge revelation hahaha
I too got bashed for calling out Sleazy Sal and the Nike Doping Project. Hopefully now the doping apologists of LRC will see that we were right all along. Although I’m still waiting for an apology from “that average runner”.
UA Runner wrote:
belial wrote:
It absolutely will not be. T&F is a small market for them, and in other far more profitable sports Nike is invested in -- like the NFL -- no one really cares about doping. So, Nike would risk sabotaging their primary sources of income by taking a hard-line stance against doping.
I'm betting that, for the most part, your typical American thinks the circumstances surrounding this recent USADA decision are somewhat silly. Nike would just appear to be silly themselves by being complicit with it.
I don't think the typical American even knows who Alberto Salazar is, or even what professional marathon running is for that matter. 49 nerds on here know, but the 47,900 runners at Chicago in two weeks won't know who Rupp or Hasay are.
That said, it is odd that the CEO of the company spent more than two seconds worrying about the affairs of Galen Rupp.. such a small speck on the map of Nike. They got through the Armstrong thing relatively unscathed as well.
this is interesting....if they take a dump on al sal you can bett your sweet $32 tea that he will throw EVERYONE he can under the bus!
i really look forward to that happening. from rupp to mo, kara to centro....he will expose it all to save himself. it will have a HUGE domino effect, big enough to see what Gary will have to say then haha....then all i would have to wait for is renato to go home al sal style devastated!
i think LoneStarXC is with me on this one!
elmorez wrote:
And he's currently at the track with a stopwatch. Ban my ass.
Where at the track? On the infield/areas that require a credential?
I don't think they can stop him from buying a ticket and sitting in the stands.
banned i got wrote:
UA Runner wrote:
I don't think the typical American even knows who Alberto Salazar is, or even what professional marathon running is for that matter. 49 nerds on here know, but the 47,900 runners at Chicago in two weeks won't know who Rupp or Hasay are.
That said, it is odd that the CEO of the company spent more than two seconds worrying about the affairs of Galen Rupp.. such a small speck on the map of Nike. They got through the Armstrong thing relatively unscathed as well.
this is interesting....if they take a dump on al sal you can bett your sweet $32 tea that he will throw EVERYONE he can under the bus!
i really look forward to that happening. from rupp to mo, kara to centro....he will expose it all to save himself. it will have a HUGE domino effect, big enough to see what Gary will have to say then haha....then all i would have to wait for is renato to go home al sal style devastated!
i think LoneStarXC is with me on this one!
You bett I am!
Before this arbitration decision, if a gun was to my head and I had to guess if Salazar gave banned substances to his athletes, I would have said yes.
Read the entire thing today, and I'm not sure anymore. It honestly does look like he's really just trying to get straight to the boundaries of what is legal. Clearly, if the L-carnitine infusions/injections have the results claimed by Magness, it should be a banned substance. But it's not Salazar's fault that it isn't. No evidence whatsoever about blood transfusions, actually using testosterone for performance enhancement (and lots of evidence to support his claim that he was worried about sabotage), using EPO, anything. Using a legal substance with your athletes is not much difference than using a nutritionist and eating well, or wearing the VFs. 4 years seems like a really long time for the allegations in that report.
So, according to this report, he has been banned for NOT actually doping his athletes.
Creaky Bones wrote:
Before this arbitration decision, if a gun was to my head and I had to guess if Salazar gave banned substances to his athletes, I would have said yes.
Read the entire thing today, and I'm not sure anymore. It honestly does look like he's really just trying to get straight to the boundaries of what is legal. Clearly, if the L-carnitine infusions/injections have the results claimed by Magness, it should be a banned substance. But it's not Salazar's fault that it isn't. No evidence whatsoever about blood transfusions, actually using testosterone for performance enhancement (and lots of evidence to support his claim that he was worried about sabotage), using EPO, anything. Using a legal substance with your athletes is not much difference than using a nutritionist and eating well, or wearing the VFs. 4 years seems like a really long time for the allegations in that report.
Good nutrition and taking care of your health should be a doping violation; impoverished East African states do not have such luxuries. Worse than cheater shoes.
Creaky Bones wrote:
Before this arbitration decision, if a gun was to my head and I had to guess if Salazar gave banned substances to his athletes, I would have said yes.
Read the entire thing today, and I'm not sure anymore. It honestly does look like he's really just trying to get straight to the boundaries of what is legal. Clearly, if the L-carnitine infusions/injections have the results claimed by Magness, it should be a banned substance. But it's not Salazar's fault that it isn't. No evidence whatsoever about blood transfusions, actually using testosterone for performance enhancement (and lots of evidence to support his claim that he was worried about sabotage), using EPO, anything. Using a legal substance with your athletes is not much difference than using a nutritionist and eating well, or wearing the VFs. 4 years seems like a really long time for the allegations in that report.
I’m with you on this one. It sounds like USADA had every detail, email, report Alberto ever was in contact with and after all that we don’t have instance of using a banned substance over 6 years. It can be debated either way if testing on Magness and his Son was a violation but it appears pretty obvious there is nothing to say he ever crossed the line with an actual athlete.
I really wonder if those joining the NOP knew that there was this dark cloud hanging around the group. Then I remember that their uniform has skulls on them, it's pretty obvious they aren't the good guys. I don't feel bad for any of his athletes.
Reminds me of this hilarious sketch:
Agreed wrote:
Creaky Bones wrote:
Before this arbitration decision, if a gun was to my head and I had to guess if Salazar gave banned substances to his athletes, I would have said yes.
Read the entire thing today, and I'm not sure anymore. It honestly does look like he's really just trying to get straight to the boundaries of what is legal. Clearly, if the L-carnitine infusions/injections have the results claimed by Magness, it should be a banned substance. But it's not Salazar's fault that it isn't. No evidence whatsoever about blood transfusions, actually using testosterone for performance enhancement (and lots of evidence to support his claim that he was worried about sabotage), using EPO, anything. Using a legal substance with your athletes is not much difference than using a nutritionist and eating well, or wearing the VFs. 4 years seems like a really long time for the allegations in that report.
I’m with you on this one. It sounds like USADA had every detail, email, report Alberto ever was in contact with and after all that we don’t have instance of using a banned substance over 6 years. It can be debated either way if testing on Magness and his Son was a violation but it appears pretty obvious there is nothing to say he ever crossed the line with an actual athlete.
So you guys think that all of this is coincidental?
1) Salazar started using testosterone before he retired
2) Slaney got busted for doping with testosterone while Salazar was helping coach her
3) Charts show that Rupp was on testosterone medication from an early age after starting to work with Salazar
4) Trainers found hypodermic needles and testosterone gel in Salazar's room at training camp
5) Salazar would have trainers take days off to personally massage Rupp
6) Salazar tested the amount of testosterone it would take to trigger a positive test on his own son
Agreed wrote:
Creaky Bones wrote:
Before this arbitration decision, if a gun was to my head and I had to guess if Salazar gave banned substances to his athletes, I would have said yes.
Read the entire thing today, and I'm not sure anymore. It honestly does look like he's really just trying to get straight to the boundaries of what is legal. Clearly, if the L-carnitine infusions/injections have the results claimed by Magness, it should be a banned substance. But it's not Salazar's fault that it isn't. No evidence whatsoever about blood transfusions, actually using testosterone for performance enhancement (and lots of evidence to support his claim that he was worried about sabotage), using EPO, anything. Using a legal substance with your athletes is not much difference than using a nutritionist and eating well, or wearing the VFs. 4 years seems like a really long time for the allegations in that report.
I’m with you on this one. It sounds like USADA had every detail, email, report Alberto ever was in contact with and after all that we don’t have instance of using a banned substance over 6 years. It can be debated either way if testing on Magness and his Son was a violation but it appears pretty obvious there is nothing to say he ever crossed the line with an actual athlete.
Don't be fooled by what was in the ruling. This was a perfect example of Nike and Alberto kicking the crap out of the incompetent bureaucrats. This was world-class damage and control and cover-up work. This report ignored numerous things that have been made public by several credible sources. Whatever the reason USADA chose not to or was unable to pursue those items, there is more going on here.
This is important news that needs to come out and the ban is warranted, but for PR purposes, couldn't they have waited until after the World Championships, so we could appreciate that meet?
Any Which Way But Loose wrote:
So, according to this report, he has been banned for NOT actually doping his athletes.
He was doping them, and trying to stay under the limit bar. But, he got full of himself and went over the limit. His claim is that was "unintentional"--the tainted beef excuse. He shows zero remorse for his actions--still trying to coach. His "unintentional" excuse does not hold water.
Agreed wrote:
Creaky Bones wrote:
Before this arbitration decision, if a gun was to my head and I had to guess if Salazar gave banned substances to his athletes, I would have said yes.
Read the entire thing today, and I'm not sure anymore. It honestly does look like he's really just trying to get straight to the boundaries of what is legal. Clearly, if the L-carnitine infusions/injections have the results claimed by Magness, it should be a banned substance. But it's not Salazar's fault that it isn't. No evidence whatsoever about blood transfusions, actually using testosterone for performance enhancement (and lots of evidence to support his claim that he was worried about sabotage), using EPO, anything. Using a legal substance with your athletes is not much difference than using a nutritionist and eating well, or wearing the VFs. 4 years seems like a really long time for the allegations in that report.
I’m with you on this one. It sounds like USADA had every detail, email, report Alberto ever was in contact with and after all that we don’t have instance of using a banned substance over 6 years. It can be debated either way if testing on Magness and his Son was a violation but it appears pretty obvious there is nothing to say he ever crossed the line with an actual athlete.
Yep, if anything this gives Alberto a better image (to the people who actually read all the reports, not just headlines.). With all that investigation, they basically conclude he didn’t dope his athletes. He was banned for actions we already knew happened...we all just figured there was a lot more cheating going on... turns out there likely wasn’t.
I also would not have been surprised to hear he doped an athlete. However, I am surprised that he got a 4 year ban without clear evidence of doping. Although, I'm not sure that I'd want him as my coach if he has athletes taking medications for conditions they do not have. He definitely is not a candidate for father-of-the-year, given the testing on his kids. Who in their right mind does that?
Creaky Bones wrote:
Before this arbitration decision, if a gun was to my head and I had to guess if Salazar gave banned substances to his athletes, I would have said yes.
Read the entire thing today, and I'm not sure anymore. It honestly does look like he's really just trying to get straight to the boundaries of what is legal. Clearly, if the L-carnitine infusions/injections have the results claimed by Magness, it should be a banned substance. But it's not Salazar's fault that it isn't. No evidence whatsoever about blood transfusions, actually using testosterone for performance enhancement (and lots of evidence to support his claim that he was worried about sabotage), using EPO, anything. Using a legal substance with your athletes is not much difference than using a nutritionist and eating well, or wearing the VFs. 4 years seems like a really long time for the allegations in that report.
L-carnatine is used to MAXIMIZE the microdosing of HGH and EPO!
thyroid meds are to help maintain a working thyroid and maximize HGH
macro dose Vit D helps the body absorb more L-carnatine and micro testosterone, which as we know L-carnatine is used to MAXIMIZE the effects of HGH, and if your micro dosing then you need to make sure your getting the biggest bang for your buck
also L-carnatine also increases the effects of what!?!?!? the grand "speed peptide" that has been talked about for years now on LR...thats right "IGF-1 lr3" which is another reason to toss in those thyroid meds.
not that hard you morans....you think al sal being so smart, being linked to lance, being linked to BALCO, is just messing with L-carnatine injections? you sorry fools. you need to look into what this supplements are doing on a stack of PEDs and then it all makes sense.
"thyroid meds dont make sense" says the moran LR poster....well figure out why it would make sense! duh not that hard.
IGF-1 lr3 is "insulin growth factor"
HGH "human growth hormone"
how are both of those connected to your thyroid? duh i dont know im a moran LR poster!
oh and this was a simple google to find you naive morans
https://academic.oup.com/ndt/article/14/12/2819/1818737but yeah innocent al sal was just pushing the limits on L-carnatine injections....you watch in al sal is really going to burn you think he will keep his mouth shut? lolz he will torch EVERYONE he sauced up! believe that!
there is prob way more they have but cant PROVE....fancy beers etc, karas testomony to them, magness etc....you really think ritz would just bounce after a harmless supplement injection? no he knows whats up, secret EPO/HGH/IGF-1 lr3 injections and then go to the doc for your L-carnatine, vit D and thyroid...well sh*t wasnt al sal giving rupp karas thyroid meds or the other way around haha
so lame...like the people who believe aden is a clean coach who just happend to have a saboteur among him with a duffle bag full of EPO, or that rosa doenst know what or where his top runners are, or that mo couldnt hear the door bell, or that ajee aint tainted beef, or coleman missed his three tests in the same year he runs WR indoor and 9.76 riiighhhhhht
seems like 90% of LR are NAIVE and doping apologists, but prob scream bloody murder during political elections lolz
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
rojo wrote:
Could be. Arbittrators seemed to believe him. Who knows. You either believe he's crazy paranoid or a crazy obsessive cheater. Could be both i guess as well.
What I find weird is they are emailing the Nike CEO. Are you kidding? Like why would he even care if Rupp was popped? With as many dopers that they have sponsored over the years, why would Nike care? That's what I couldn't understand.
Nike has never been a leader in the antidoping movement. Maybve this will be a wakeup call for them.
This was a total softball by USADA and I think it is almost certain to get overturned or the suspension dramatically shorted. Given all the things they had available and could have gone after him for they chose accidental doping violation on a non-athlete with good intentions not to violate doping rules. They even threw in a nice note about Alberto's good intentions to ensure this gets overturned.
I think at this point I've completely given up on USADA and its time for them to clean house starting at the top. If this was legitimately all they had on Salazaar a 4-year suspension is absolutely not warranted. In fact, I'd be inclined to think no suspension with probation or something small. As an aside I don't believe for a second this is all Alberto and crew have been up to but they are way smarter and have way more resources than the fools at USADA.
To me this ruling has no substance. Alberto will likely be coaching NOP again by the start of 2020. That in the past few months we've seen the debacle that was Christian Coleman's missed test ban announced then dropped and the result of the Alberto/NOP fiasco shows the state of our anti doping agencies. The reality is the people cheating are smart than they are and more committed to not getting caught then agencies are to catching them.
Gotta agree here - this will be overturned, QUICKLY.
Reading it through multiple times actually makes one believe all the athletes are clean.....
Your ignorance is bliss wrote:
Agreed wrote:
I’m with you on this one. It sounds like USADA had every detail, email, report Alberto ever was in contact with and after all that we don’t have instance of using a banned substance over 6 years. It can be debated either way if testing on Magness and his Son was a violation but it appears pretty obvious there is nothing to say he ever crossed the line with an actual athlete.
So you guys think that all of this is coincidental?
1) Salazar started using testosterone before he retired
2) Slaney got busted for doping with testosterone while Salazar was helping coach her
3) Charts show that Rupp was on testosterone medication from an early age after starting to work with Salazar
4) Trainers found hypodermic needles and testosterone gel in Salazar's room at training camp
5) Salazar would have trainers take days off to personally massage Rupp
6) Salazar tested the amount of testosterone it would take to trigger a positive test on his own son
3) has been proven to be FALSE. Please don't spread false statements.
Bump this for shady Al
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!