ALBERTO SALAZAR BANNED FROM ATHLETICS FOR FOUR YEARS FOR DOPING VIOLATIONS

Proof that people will support a cheater if they believe that others cheat worse. You can’t even understand the difference between WADA and USADA.

I’m glad the US doping authorities have standards and values that supersede Salazar’s.

Surprised they spoke so highly of Alberto and then slapped him with a ban.

The Panel finds that all athletes received under 50ml of the lcarnitine EXCEPT for Steve Magness. So the panel said Steve was an athlete since ran in a usatf cross country race. Wow, great for the athletes but surprised this is what the main takedown was.

fortherecord wrote:

Klosterhalfen has always been coached by Pete Julian

Does she have TUE's?

At this exact second countries like Ethiopia and Kenya continue to dominate marathoning while having no governing body that overlooks the country as USADA does the US. WADA is great and all but extremely ineffective. I’m guess I’m fine with them busting him as he crossed some very fine lines but we have a way bigger problem overseas and those guys are blatantly getting away with it while we bust Salazar for such minimal offenses.

I don’t think we should let Salazar traffic testosterone just because east Africa has a doping problem. Call me crazy.

Nickers11 wrote:

Why put out this release in the midst of the sport’s biggest event? We all know the sport has problems but it also needs to allow itself to be showcased - to sabotage it like this is just stupid and myopic. The investigation has been going for 4 f’ing years - just release it after 4 years and 1 week.

Many who have watched Tagart say he's a lot like Salazar: He likes to win, and he will do whatever to make sure he does.

Here's what the judge in one of the Armstrong cases said about Tygart: "USADA's conduct raises serious questions about whether its real interest in charging Armstrong is to combat doping, or if it is acting according to less noble motives...it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that USADA is motivated more by politics and a desire for media attention than faithful adherence to its obligations to USOC."

Of course, in the end, Tagart got Armstrong, and that's what matters, right?

To think that Salazar got a ban for doping and I don’t think anyone from NOP has ever cracked 2:05 in the marathon. Just imagine the amount of drugs that Kipchoge and Bekele are injecting to get to 2:01.... the margin from 2:01 to 2:05 is insane.

No, he did not. He tested it on non-athlete. Makes difference.

Also USADA clearly states in their paper that Salazar went great lengths to do everything he can to be in compliance with antidoping rules.

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Rupp’s charts show him being on testosterone medication, that Al tested the amount of testosterone it took to trigger a positive test, and that syringes and testosterone were found in Alberto’s possession at training camp.

I don't support cheaters. It's just I don't see anything to blame Salazar for comparing to rest of the world's stage. WADA has become joke into listing general usage food supplements as banned substances and ensuring national agencies distribute four year bans to everyone.

It's the same story as for climate and nature preservation. While Western world is restricted to use even plastic bags, the entire Asia is dumping billions of metric tons of plastic waste literally right into rivers and oceans daily.

Where's the fair play if parties play by different rules? You really think grounding Salazar will prevent someone in Russia or Africa not to take EPO? Clearly if they see you get same 4 year ban.

What happens now with Rupp? Does he move to Boulder and join Tinman Elite, or continue to get training from Salazar via a friend or John Doe?

SALAZAR was my hero. I'm speachless! :(

1) He cheated. It’s plain as day from the reports. Whether you think it is insignificant cheating in the big picture is your opinion, but he flat out broke anti-doping rules and you are supporting him despite this.

2) You still don’t understand the difference between USADA and WADA. Hint: Tygart can’t do anything about Russian or African doping.

Tkrowiendddl wrote:

I've always found the way that Galen was coddled and protected for his entire career to be cringeworthy. The whole stupid story of him being discovered on a soccer field, and of him being 'special' and a diamond in the rough was always embellished. I do feel bad that he was suckered in and influenced by Salazar as a teenager, but he could have departed at any time as an adult.

What also saddens me is Jordan. Jordan could have left NOP. She had four years to do it. She seems like a great person and a hard working athlete, but she sacrificed her integrity to stay with NOP, and also defended Salazar in the process. It will always be a mystery to my as to why she chose to do that.

This. That relationship has always been very strange. I can remember seeing him race at the Trials in 08, and afterwards he and Salazar were out near the stadium at Hayward, and they kept very close. Rupps parents were nowhere to be seen, and I heard a lot of rumors that Salazar effectively assumed a kind of guardianship role over Rupp, and became closer to him than his parents. And all the other NOP athletes who've commented on the record have stated this relationship to be unusually close, to the point of it being secretive. Really, NOP had a hierarchy not unlike Lance Armstrong's team, where the most important athlete was Rupp, and everyone else was ultimately secondary to Rupp.

These two are so close, that I find it impossible to believe that Rupp can be clean at this point, given what is now being revealed about Salazar. Because there was no one closer to Salazar than Rupp. Not even Salazar's own children, who he infamously used as guinea pigs to test various supplements and gels.

I think Rupp's career will be fatally tainted by this.

Sal is far from the worst cheaters. Very far. Jamaica and east Africa are 10x more hopped up.

Can these WCs get any weirder? A drone strike is not out of the question.

Fifteen pages in just about four hours. Has there ever been a hotter thread?

Go whistleblowers wrote:

Thank you to all the whistleblowers who care about cleaning up the sport (e.g. Magness, the Gouchers, etc.). Your efforts are not in vain!

+1

qw wrote:

I don't support cheaters. It's just I don't see anything to blame Salazar for comparing to rest of the world's stage. WADA has become joke into listing general usage food supplements as banned substances and ensuring national agencies distribute four year bans to everyone.

It's the same story as for climate and nature preservation. While Western world is restricted to use even plastic bags, the entire Asia is dumping billions of metric tons of plastic waste literally right into rivers and oceans daily.

Where's the fair play if parties play by different rules? You really think grounding Salazar will prevent someone in Russia or Africa not to take EPO? Clearly if they see you get same 4 year ban.

I agree. I've had this discussion with a former Olympic athlete (who is clean) a year or two back. It's all about the 50 shades of gray at the top. It's very possible you get a guy like Bolt or Phelps who is a genetic freak. But for the rest, it's taking it as close to the limit as possible.

Is it cheating? I don't know.

I mean, I'll take ibuprofen after a hard day to allow me to do harder workouts. I'll consume protein shakes and vitamin waters to help with recovery. I'll take extra iron during higher mileage times to help with red blood cell counts.

All things that could have a positive effect on my performance vs if I didn't take them, but I'm not banned. If there was an EPO pill or something I could freely buy that wasn't "banned", would I take it to help increase my performance? Probably.

I really can't fault people who want to push their bodies to the legal limits. When you set legal limits like the anti-doping agencies have, they essentially create a ceiling. If you're not at 99% of that ceiling, then you're deficient.

Give Sal 2 years. Over all he's good for science despite his so so IQ. Nike makes better shoes as opposed to garbage back in the day. Still Nike runs slave factory manufacturing facilities. So maybe all should go to he'll.