Sifan MF Hassan just closed the 10k with a 3:59.09 1500!!! 4:17.15 last 1600!!

Hassan...

1st half @ half marathon pace

2nd half @ 29:27 pace (maybe record pace with nice kick)

Last mile of 2nd half at slightly faster than current 3km Chinese WR

Awsi Dooger wrote:

The 10,000 needs a half dozen more like Almaz Ayana, and the steeplechase needs a half dozen more like Beatrice Chepkoech. Otherwise there will continue to be disgraceful lollygags like that insulting race today.

Why pick on just women?

There have been NO men for long before Ayana who've run the hard paces like Geb, Komen, and Bekele.

The women, in general, are on a much higher level than the me, but you only criticize the women - that's not right.

REAL. wrote:

trollism, show the research on EPO microdosing and effects in endurance running. Yeah, doesn't exist.

trollism wrote:

No it hasn't.

You've got Renato and Rekrunner giving it the EPO doesn't work, and Africans are too nice to dope, but no science has proven that microdosing doesn't work.

Microdosing is the same as macrodosing except that you build your hct more slowly.

Current markers of the Athlete Blood Passport do not flag microdose EPO doping.

Ashenden M1, Gough CE, Garnham A, Gore CJ, Sharpe K.

"Our treatment regimen elicited a 10% increase in total haemoglobin mass equivalent to approximately two bags of reinfused blood. The passport software did not flag any subjects as being suspicious of doping whilst they were receiving rhEPO."

Cousin Orson wrote:

REAL. wrote:

trollism, show the research on EPO microdosing and effects in endurance running. Yeah, doesn't exist.

Current markers of the Athlete Blood Passport do not flag microdose EPO doping.

Ashenden M1, Gough CE, Garnham A, Gore CJ, Sharpe K.

"Our treatment regimen elicited a 10% increase in total haemoglobin mass equivalent to approximately two bags of reinfused blood. The passport software did not flag any subjects as being suspicious of doping whilst they were receiving rhEPO."

Some more research on microdosing:

YMMV wrote:

Equals 3:32.2 or 3:49 mile for a male, according to IAAF tables. What is the fastest men's 10000 finish in history? 3:42/4:00 for a mile?

I wouldnt equate it to 3:32.2.

The IAAF tables are for ranking purposes and seem not to be made for male/female performance conversion, as they obviously take "performance density" into account (by which I mean the number of registered results per time unit). E.g. in the 1500m, comparing 1303 to 1213 points results in a difference of 6.31s for men and 10.97s for women. That makes sense in terms of different performance densities but not in terms of performance conversion.

I believe that for conversion one is better off with a simple rule of thumb like "subtract 10% from the female time to get the corresponding male time". That would amount to 3:35.18 and would still be crazy.

But in whatever way she manages to do so, we probably have to get used to see crazy things from her. Just to cite two examples:

a) 65:15 in her first serious half marathon, with non-perfect pacing (the first 5k were way too fast) and being on her own for much of the race (which is untypical for a mixed race).

b) A thing that went a bit under the radar: 6 weeks after another world class half marathon and in the midst of ramadan - which she observes - she jetted over the Pacific for two 1500m races in China and returned with a then-SB of 4:00.53, which is crazy in these circumstances.

She will double in the 1500, https://twitter.com/lsabre_Avenger/status/1178712038505418754

Could Hassan medal in the 800m, 1500, 5000, and 10,000? The last three she definitely could. Im beginning to wonder about the 800m as well.

Would the Olympic schedule even allow for the 1500 through the 10k to be possible? Let alone the 800 as well?

Y'all always wanna say someone's the goat, well in female distance running we are seeing the best to ever do it right now.

WHAT CRAP. TOTALLY PHONY.

WOMENS ATHLETICS IS TURNED OFF,

SO MUCH FOR THE NEW TESTING.

VroomVroom wrote:

Could Hassan medal in the 800m, 1500, 5000, and 10,000? The last three she definitely could. Im beginning to wonder about the 800m as well.

Would the Olympic schedule even allow for the 1500 through the 10k to be possible? Let alone the 800 as well?

Y'all always wanna say someone's the goat, well in female distance running we are seeing the best to ever do it right now.

The only thing stopping her would be the schedule. Don't forget she has run 1:56 for 800m. Let's have a look at the schedule for these championships

Day 1 - 800m heat

Day 2 - 800m semi, 10k final 2 hours later

Day 3 - REST DAY

Day 4 - 800m final

Only problem there is the 800 before the 10k. But Doha just has one big session instead of morning and evening sessions. In a normal championships you would have a good few hours between the races.

Day 5 - REST DAY

Day 6 - 1500m heat, 5k heats one hour later

Day 7 - 1500m semi

Day 8 - REST DAY

Day 9 - 1500m final, 5k final the very next race lol

Day 10 - nothing

OK even that might be too much to ask from the great Hassan

She is the protege of a coach just busted for doping. End of thread.

This thread didn't age well and it's only a couple days old.

Yup. Hilarious. This is awesome. Drug cheat apologists out.

Armstronglivs wrote:

She is the protege of a coach just busted for doping. End of thread.

BIG OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF