Too many trolls here, this forum must be run by idiots.
Too many trolls here, this forum must be run by idiots.
startelver wrote:
Too many trolls here, this forum must be run by idiots.
You must be new here.
Semiler wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
This sport is bizarre. Butchart didn't qualify.
If it was an east african runner then?
Then what? Then I'd be livid if that runner went on to finish above a Brit in the final.
I'm British and I support the British athletes but Butchart didn't qualify. He literally didn't finish in a qualification position or run a fastest loser time.
Jakob got DQ so they said Butchart can move up which is the rules. Now Jakob is not DQ and they say Butchart can have a go anyway? What a farce!
...and he's back in again...
Just seen on twitter from Jonathan Gault
yep, reinstated.
'no material advantage'.
xbdc wrote:
...and he's back in again...
Just seen on twitter from Jonathan Gault
Too much pressure from the bettors. Snip, Snap, Snip, Snap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmGgV-2JNnMGreat name for a band EuroBrat!
Here is an update on his appeal. Here is the full statement from the IAAF.
The IAAF wrote:
Norwegian athlete Jacob INGEBRITSEN (bib number 1334) was disqualified for stepping inside the kerb.
The Norwegian Team presented an appeal to the Jury, claiming that their athlete had been pushed 200m before the Finish Line and forced to step out.
The Jury of Appeal reviewed the video and concluded that all three steps taken inside the kerb by the athlete were the result of a contact with another athlete. No material advantage was gained.
The Jury of Appeal therefore decided to accept the appeal presented by the Norwegian Team and the result will be modified accordingly.
What a joke.
I just want to see the rules applied consistently.
Here is the full rule.
The IAAF wrote:
IAAF Rule 163.3(b) and 164.4 reads as follows:
(b) In all races (or any part of races) not run in lanes, an athlete running on a bend, on the outer half of the track as per Rule 163.5(b), or on any curved part of the diversion from the track
for the steeplechase water jump, shall not step or run on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border (the inside of the track, the outer half of the track, or any curved part of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump). Except as stated in Rule 163.4, if the Referee is satisfied, on the report of a Judge or Umpire or otherwise, that an athlete has infringed this Rule, he shall be disqualified.
4. An athlete shall not be disqualified if he
(a) is pushed or forced by another person to step or run outside his lane or on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border,
or (b) steps or runs outside his lane in the straight, any straight part of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump or outside the outer line of his lane on the bend
with no material advantage thereby being gained and no other athlete being jostled or obstructed so as to impede his progress. If material advantage is gained, the athlete shall be disqualified. Note: Material advantage includes improving his position by any means, including removing himself from a “boxed” position in the race by having stepped or run inside the inside edge of the track.
I just totally disagree with this. He did gain a material advantage. Based on his positioning, he should have have to run the entire turn behind the Bahrain athlete. Plus he did take one step inside on a turn so he ran less distanceHe ended up going inside the curb because tried to pass on the inside of a guy who was squarely in the middle of lane to inside part of lane 1. If Jakob was pushed it was simply because the guy in the middle of lane one had no other option (unless he just wanted to let Jakob bull his way through and gain a material advantage he didn't deserve as there was no space to pass).
I need to go back and make a longer video. I didn't show the part where he passed the guy with no space.
Now the IAAF is going to encourage inside passes with 200 left.
I’d see that band.....not material, not on purpose, but off the track nonetheless. Stuff happens and sometimes very unfortunate. Still a DQ.
The real question is who is betting he will win the 5k?
That's an absolutely joke.
rojo wrote:
Not Jakob wrote:
He forced his way on the inside and then ran inside the rail.
I don't like DQs but that's a blatant DQ. You don't take 3-4 steps inside the rail simply because you are too lazy to run wide. You try to pass on the inside , that's a risk you take. He should be DQd.
NO way is it blatant. He got bumped and gained nothing, zero. He should NOT be DQd.
Not Jakob wrote:
Clean Dominance wrote:
He got bumped. Reminiscent of Farah in the 2017 10,000. Let him continue.
He didn't get bumped. He went on the inside of the other athlete where there was no room.
yep he went on the inside and the guys squeezed him
So what? If the guy forces him out, that's a bump.
Just as well the poms didn't have anyone to take advantage, they'd be all in
rojo wrote:
He did gain a material advantage. Based on his positioning, he should have have to run the entire turn behind the Bahrain athlete. Plus he did take one step inside on a turn so he ran less distance
I think 'material advantage' means something different to the jury: it's not 'theoretical microscopic advantage', it's "unlikely to have affected the race outcome".
Yes, you could argue he gained a centimetre or so from 3 steps on the inside. Yes, he could have had to stay in position behind someone on the bend, then had to move out and scorch past in the last 100.
This is the sane decision. And I am fed up with these petty protests by some other team's management spotting a stumble and desperate to score one more finalist and justify their existence. If there was a serious complaint, it would come from the wronged athlete.
rojo wrote:
What a joke.
I just want to see the rules applied consistently.
You don't want to see rules applied consistently. You have an axe to grind, and you've made it quite clear that you really dislike this kid, for whatever reason.
Based on your posts you would think he willfully ducked inside and run an entire straightaway on the infield. In actuality he was bumped in a crowded race. The DQ was a terrible decision. The reversal was correct (but, again, the DQ was absurd in the first place).
Do you think this was DQ-worthy????
https://youtu.be/gTPHH880Cyc?t=1931Bottom line: the kid deserves to be in the final.
rojo wrote:
Here is an update on his appeal. Here is the full statement from the IAAF.
The IAAF wrote:
Norwegian athlete Jacob INGEBRITSEN (bib number 1334) was disqualified for stepping inside the kerb.
The Norwegian Team presented an appeal to the Jury, claiming that their athlete had been pushed 200m before the Finish Line and forced to step out.
The Jury of Appeal reviewed the video and concluded that all three steps taken inside the kerb by the athlete were the result of a contact with another athlete. No material advantage was gained.
The Jury of Appeal therefore decided to accept the appeal presented by the Norwegian Team and the result will be modified accordingly.
What a joke.
I just want to see the rules applied consistently.
Here is the full rule.
The IAAF wrote:
IAAF Rule 163.3(b) and 164.4 reads as follows:
(b) In all races (or any part of races) not run in lanes, an athlete running on a bend, on the outer half of the track as per Rule 163.5(b), or on any curved part of the diversion from the track
for the steeplechase water jump, shall not step or run on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border (the inside of the track, the outer half of the track, or any curved part of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump). Except as stated in Rule 163.4, if the Referee is satisfied, on the report of a Judge or Umpire or otherwise, that an athlete has infringed this Rule, he shall be disqualified.
4. An athlete shall not be disqualified if he
(a) is pushed or forced by another person to step or run outside his lane or on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border,
or (b) steps or runs outside his lane in the straight, any straight part of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump or outside the outer line of his lane on the bend
with no material advantage thereby being gained and no other athlete being jostled or obstructed so as to impede his progress. If material advantage is gained, the athlete shall be disqualified. Note: Material advantage includes improving his position by any means, including removing himself from a “boxed” position in the race by having stepped or run inside the inside edge of the track.
I just totally disagree with this. He did gain a material advantage. Based on his positioning, he should have have to run the entire turn behind the Bahrain athlete. Plus he did take one step inside on a turn so he ran less distanceHe ended up going inside the curb because tried to pass on the inside of a guy who was squarely in the middle of lane to inside part of lane 1. If Jakob was pushed it was simply because the guy in the middle of lane one had no other option (unless he just wanted to let Jakob bull his way through and gain a material advantage he didn't deserve as there was no space to pass).
I need to go back and make a longer video. I didn't show the part where he passed the guy with no space.
Now the IAAF is going to encourage inside passes with 200 left.
Oh stop it. Material advantage? I doubt anyone in that race ran less than 5015 meters. It all evens out in the wash. Being knocked off balance is a disadvantage in itself, and he came back no closer to the front than he left.
Robby Andrews got DQ’d for the exact same thing. Running like an a55hole and squeezing your way inside rather than slowing and going outside is definitely an advantage. Classic system being corrupt. Dopers gotta cheat and gain that advantage any way they can.
This sets a precedent now that they can’t DQ anyone for forcing their way inside and taking a few steps inside the railing due to “incidental” contact.
Use common sense:
Was anyone hurt or anything changed after he got bumped and took three steps outside the rail (actually then running longer, since he had to get back)?
JohnMarston wrote:
This sets a precedent now that they can’t DQ anyone for forcing their way inside and taking a few steps inside the railing due to “incidental” contact.
Seems like a sound policy.
Intentionally cut to the infield to save distance, consider a DQ.
Get jostled in a tightly packed race, stumble, and accidentally take a couple of steps inside that lead to zero advantage = no DQ.
Pretty simple stuff, my dudes.
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these