New Tuohy Workout Vid - 4xMile+400+200, Excellent HS Coaching

My high school team and college team never did mile repeats on the track during cross country. Same with my kid's team. Too bad they couldn't measure out a grass loop on campus.

Looks like 1600, not 1609 meters.

That wasn't much of a workout, since she could probably run 10 miles at that pace.

Why didn't she run all summer?

dunes runner wrote:

That wasn't much of a workout, since she could probably run 10 miles at that pace.

Why didn't she run all summer?

Toast from over racing

dunes runner wrote:

That wasn't much of a workout, since she could probably run 10 miles at that pace.

Why didn't she run all summer?

The whole point of the workout was that it wasn't a test for her because there is a harder workout later in the week. Watch the video or at least read the original post the OP made. In fact, read anything. They talked about her missing time and everything. Do you even think before you post?

aktion T4 wrote:

Looks like 1600, not 1609 meters.

True, didn't notice. 1600m reps make MUCH more sense, since you have splits for 4x400m. But Mile reps just sounds better especially for US people. There are many people in the US who don't know how many meters a mile is and what 1600m are. Avoids confusion and the 2s/mile don't really make much of a difference.

Runnnn wrote:

My high school team and college team never did mile repeats on the track during cross country. Same with my kid's team. Too bad they couldn't measure out a grass loop on campus.

This was one of the first workouts of the season. It's to establish an assessment of their stamina/fitness level. For that, having control of each 400m split is a huge advantage for the coach. He isn't standing there with 4 different watches for a reason. Threshold doesn't cause much muscular strain/fatigue and leaves them fresh for the hard TT/workout later on Friday that week.

I wouldn't trust a group of young HS girls to accurately hit threshold effort on a mile grass loop without supervision.

You would also see him calling splits out to Tuohy all the time, she started with like an 80 400 and had to slow down, the first mile might have already been out of control on a grass loop and could have ruined the entire session.

Judging a coach’s capabilities based on a single workout is ridiculous. LateRunnerPhil is a Tinman fanatic so anything that remotely resembles a Tinman workout will prompt a thread like this, even if it’s a single workout from the season and we have little know of the rest of her training.

Every coach who gets a prodigy looks like a genius. Once that person graduates you realize that anyone could have trained them. Do we still hear about Webb's HS coach?

Thursday strength training video now up on Milesplit

https://www.milesplit.com/articles/268083-katelyn-tuohys-thursday-strength-training

So then 1 of 2 things happened:

1. Coach didn't have anywhere near a firm grasp on her true T pace

2. Coach allowed her to go far faster than her T pace

Either way, she didn't spend that much time at T.

Diglio's good (obviously) but that style workout is done at many high schools... but I guess most of those coaches simply don't have a clue. If anything, this workout shows Coach Diglio is just as prone to either not knowing his kids' true pace goals, or, the more likely - he allows his athletes to run too fast in workouts.

Man, you are a piece of work.

One of the first workouts of the season and they did 4 x 1 mile, kind of heavy lifting for HS girls, especially the 8th graders.

Calling out splits, noticed he said he wanted 85, never ran one, they were all under, what was the point of calling splits if she is under on everyone, averaged 4 seconds per lap faster on the last rep.

Threshold doesn't cause much strain? Was that really threshold if it is one of the first workouts? Then to come back two days later for a harder workout?

ThatWasntAllThreshold wrote:

So then 1 of 2 things happened:

1. Coach didn't have anywhere near a firm grasp on her true T pace

2. Coach allowed her to go far faster than her T pace

Either way, she didn't spend that much time at T.

Diglio's good (obviously) but that style workout is done at many high schools... but I guess most of those coaches simply don't have a clue. If anything, this workout shows Coach Diglio is just as prone to either not knowing his kids' true pace goals, or, the more likely - he allows his athletes to run too fast in workouts.

3. Diglio knew Tuohy always pushes harder than he asks so he intentionally set her 5:40 pace too slow knowing she'd go slightly faster and end up close to where he actually wanted her. He's been coaching her for a long time. I'm sure he's aware of how she practices and what her correct pace should be.

ThatWasntAllThreshold wrote:

So then 1 of 2 things happened:

1. Coach didn't have anywhere near a firm grasp on her true T pace

2. Coach allowed her to go far faster than her T pace

Either way, she didn't spend that much time at T.

Diglio's good (obviously) but that style workout is done at many high schools... but I guess most of those coaches simply don't have a clue. If anything, this workout shows Coach Diglio is just as prone to either not knowing his kids' true pace goals, or, the more likely - he allows his athletes to run too fast in workouts.

He is much better than you give him credit for. The reason he set the pace conservatively was that

1) It's better to go too slow on threshold than too hard, especially if hard workout comes 2-3 days later

2) Tuohy was INJURED most of the summer and had to take a FULL MONTH off to recover and let her body heal. He rather lets her ease into workouts than to start where she left off. Prescribing a slower pace and seeing how it goes was the perfect move here. He closely monitored her breathing, form and running style and you could clearly see she was below/at threshold at every single rep. No heavy breathing, no hard running, no struggling or form breakdown that you see so often in HS runners doing mile reps, just good, nice, "comfortably hard" reps.

Compare it to the Workout Wednesday of Claudia Lane. Massive difference between coaches. Lane's coaches never helped her improve the form or work on strength. You see Tuohy's beautiful stride and coaching and hard strength training sure has helped her achieve that form and maintain it in races.

Most HS coaches are not good. Many do this as an additional paycheck, and if they get a big talent they got no idea what to do.

Chicken or egg?

Looks like 1 girl was able to run that workout so I’m confused how that shows excellent coaching or a lottery ticket winner.

Who coached Ritz in HS? wrote:

Every coach who gets a prodigy looks like a genius. Once that person graduates you realize that anyone could have trained them. Do we still hear about Webb's HS coach?

Brad Prins I believe, he had some historic Rockford teams. Jason Hartman was among them. Also Kaitlyn Toedenbush (don't remember how to spell it) was a Footlocker qualifier. This guy was more than just Dathan.

You do have a point, Razcko also had other fast runners at South Lakes HS. You probably picked two of the worst examples.

ThatWasntAllThreshold wrote:

So then 1 of 2 things happened:

1. Coach didn't have anywhere near a firm grasp on her true T pace

2. Coach allowed her to go far faster than her T pace

Either way, she didn't spend that much time at T.

Diglio's good (obviously) but that style workout is done at many high schools... but I guess most of those coaches simply don't have a clue. If anything, this workout shows Coach Diglio is just as prone to either not knowing his kids' true pace goals, or, the more likely - he allows his athletes to run too fast in workouts.

I love when people see one workout in a vacuum and act like they know the entire training program...idiots

Who coached Ritz in HS? wrote:

Every coach who gets a prodigy looks like a genius. Once that person graduates you realize that anyone could have trained them. Do we still hear about Webb's HS coach?

Brad Prins.

Ok, so he set the pace slower because that would be better and then he let her run faster, which is it?

She was hurt because she went to hard too often, so the more the things change the more they stay the same.

And, her form was just like it is when she was in 8th grade, she is a natural, the form was not developed by the lottery winner.