When are people going to think it's a simple as calories in/calories out?

I agree. When I was stuck at around a 27-28 BMI (overweight for my size) I would exercise for an hour a day and eat 1500 calories and maintain my weight or even sometimes gain. My thyroid levels were not optimal. HIIT would make me feel worse, it would trigger a stress response which would then cause cortisol and insulin spikes. High insulin = instant fat gain OR worsening of body composition regardless of caloric intake.

Now, I am at a BMI of 19.5 (low/healthy for my size) and can maintain that eating whatever the heck I want. I also exercise at the same intensity for an hour a day. I respond to HIIT beautifully, it lowers my stress and inflammation markers now instead of increasing them. My thyroid is optimal and I feel great!

Fat loss is all about the functioning of your metabolic pathways (there is evidence this is closely related to thyroid function and genes) and managing inflammation, especially gastrointestinal inflammation (the best way to do this is through diet).

nopenotreally wrote:

If this were the case people would just eat less and move more and no one would be fat.

False. People continue to overeat knowing it makes them fat because they lack the willpower.

What diet are you selling, may I ask?

NotTrueThere wrote:

nopenotreally wrote:

If this were the case people would just eat less and move more and no one would be fat.

False. People continue to overeat knowing it makes them fat because they lack the willpower.

No, see it's that thinking that's just wrong. It's not about willpower. Some of it perhaps, but certainly not all.

nopenotreally wrote:

NotTrueThere wrote:

False. People continue to overeat knowing it makes them fat because they lack the willpower.

No, see it's that thinking that's just wrong. It's not about willpower. Some of it perhaps, but certainly not all.

All fat people overeat. If they had sufficient willpower they could eat less and lose weight. That's just a plain fact.

Calories-in, calories-out is the biggest load of BS there is. Everyone is different.

BUT, there's a solution for everyone. You just need to look for it. It might be no carbs, it might be only carbs, it might be no gluten, it might be intermittent fasting, it might be eating only noon to 6 p.m.

And yes, if you are obese, you are eating too much of everything. That's a fact.

Your happiness plays a role in how quickly you can digest food.

Depressed? Eat too many cookies?

Yeah, you'll feel them in your gut.

Happy? You can eat with more freedom.

FFF wrote:

Calories-in, calories-out is the biggest load of BS there is. Everyone is different.

BUT, there's a solution for everyone. You just need to look for it. It might be no carbs, it might be only carbs, it might be no gluten, it might be intermittent fasting, it might be eating only noon to 6 p.m.

And yes, if you are obese, you are eating too much of everything. That's a fact.

Calories in and calories out accounts for people being different. Calories out would vary person by person depending on their metabolism

Free_the_thigh wrote:

FFF wrote:

Calories-in, calories-out is the biggest load of BS there is. Everyone is different.

BUT, there's a solution for everyone. You just need to look for it. It might be no carbs, it might be only carbs, it might be no gluten, it might be intermittent fasting, it might be eating only noon to 6 p.m.

And yes, if you are obese, you are eating too much of everything. That's a fact.

Calories in and calories out accounts for people being different. Calories out would vary person by person depending on their metabolism

Exactly. Some people just want to blame something else for their weight issue, rather than admit they eat too much (junk). I have yet to meet an overweight person, myself included, who didn't lose weight when they started eating better and/or getting more exercise. I'll believe that some exist, but it's got to be far from the majority.

All of the fasting, low fat, low/no carb, fad-diet-of-the-year stuff is just finding some arbitrary way to restrict calories. If it works for you, great, but don't deny that it still all comes back to calories-in, calories-out.

yzzeY wrote:

What diet are you selling, may I ask?

High protein paleo diet works wonders for the body ;)

Yezzy wrote:

yzzeY wrote:

What diet are you selling, may I ask?

High protein paleo diet works wonders for the body ;)

It's also low calorie.

yzzeY wrote:

Yezzy wrote:

High protein paleo diet works wonders for the body ;)

It's also low calorie.

I eat 4K calories a day lol. Nut butters, dark chocolate, plenty of legume-based pastas and meat with homemade avocado mayonnaise on pretty much everything packs a pretty big calorie punch! ?

4000- 1 hour exercise per day.

Let's get to the truth,now, you are eating and appropriate number of calories and have happened on a good nutrient match for yourself.

You do understand that 1500 calories may hardly be a deficit and that muscle weighs more than fat, right? What one eats and how strenuously they exercise play a critical role.

A calorie deficit will always lead to weight loss. Always. Whether or not it’s a good idea or done correctly are the variables.

I do quite a bit of sprinting and lifting to be fair, that probably contributes but what I find is obsessing over cals in vs cals out to cut weight of the time is not actually the healthiest approach (both psychologically and physically) - just eating natural healthy food and moving your body and your weight will condition your metabolism and your weight will take care of itself the proper way. It’s very simple to maintain a great weight (slim but muscular is optimal in my opinion) when you cut processed foods out. High amount of calories from healthy food will always >>> lower calorie processed food!

The other thing I dont understand about his post is that he says that now he eats whatever he wants, but then said that he keeps his weight down because he changed what he ate?

"the best way to do this is through diet."

Yezzy wrote:

I do quite a bit of sprinting and lifting to be fair, that probably contributes but what I find is obsessing over cals in vs cals out to cut weight of the time is not actually the healthiest approach (both psychologically and physically) - just eating natural healthy food and moving your body and your weight will condition your metabolism and your weight will take care of itself the proper way. It’s very simple to maintain a great weight (slim but muscular is optimal in my opinion) when you cut processed foods out. High amount of calories from healthy food will always >>> lower calorie processed food!

So. low and behold, you are not proof that calories in calorie out is fake. I am sure if we had all the data points it would show you should not argue against the idea based on yourself and you have nothing else. Of, course that doesn't mean all calories are equal and going to lead to satiation and a solid foundation , they aren't and won't.

Drainthefecesswamp wrote:

doot doot wrote:

You do understand that 1500 calories may hardly be a deficit and that muscle weighs more than fat, right? What one eats and how strenuously they exercise play a critical role.

A calorie deficit will always lead to weight loss. Always. Whether or not it’s a good idea or done correctly are the variables.

The other thing I dont understand about his post is that he says that now he eats whatever he wants, but then said that he keeps his weight down because he changed what he ate?

"the best way to do this is through diet."

Yup.

Because OP is utterly cognitively biased in terms of variable disclosure and is taking us on an (un-)intentional ruse cruise.

I don’t understand why humans feel the need to complicate things lol. Eat real food until satisfied, drink enough water, make sure you get enough sunlight, don’t sit for too long/move your body, stop stressing about numbers and calories and your weight will take care of itself. ? Every other species on the planet does exactly that yet humans are the only ones to suffer widespread weight issues.