Hand them their 4th straight title right now? NAU holds out two runners, still DESTROYS Stanford in Terre Haute

soccerxc wrote:

That's what I've been saying. MTSU are getting it done in hot weather meets. I think they have a dark horse shot.

You sir, are CORRECT!

Flagpole wrote:

I was at the meet today, and the one thing no one has said so far is that Fahy didn't "underperform"...he clearly had an issue as he was approaching the finish line. Think Gabriela Andersen-Schiess from 1984.

Here is video evidence for those of you who don't understand the reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kdaRQtrPjo

Fahy wasn't quite that bad, but he was close...something that runners sometimes experience, and likely NOT indicative of what he will do in future races.

That said, NAU looked great.

I would NOT rule out Middle Tennessee State who were dominant the weekend before. They might not beat NAU, but they have a GREAT shot at podium with several Kenyan studs on their team.

I was there as well. Man you lost a lot of hair dude and you need to cut back on the donuts or chocolate as well.

ncaaguy69 wrote:

looks like a nice run for purdue in 4th. did iowa state have someone drop out?

No one dropped out, Matthew Meinke a true freshman ran unattached. Potential scorers later in the year - Festus Lagat and David Too did not run today.

Shows what you know...I had a hat on the whole time, so you couldn't tell if I had lost any hair or not, I'm the same level of bald as I have been for nearly 20 years, and I am down 20 pounds in the last 4 months.

Flagpole wrote:

I was at the meet today, and the one thing no one has said so far is that Fahy didn't "underperform"...he clearly had an issue as he was approaching the finish line. Think Gabriela Andersen-Schiess from 1984.

Here is video evidence for those of you who don't understand the reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kdaRQtrPjo

Fahy wasn't quite that bad, but he was close...something that runners sometimes experience, and likely NOT indicative of what he will do in future races.

That said, NAU looked great.

I would NOT rule out Middle Tennessee State who were dominant the weekend before. They might not beat NAU, but they have a GREAT shot at podium with several Kenyan studs on their team.

I was going to say the same thing about Fahy. If whatever issue he was having - hydration, nutrition, whatever gets resolved he's finishing next to Parsons (~10 places better) and it becomes a much closer race vs NAU

Yeah...people are so quick to make judgments just from looking at the results. My advice to people is if you weren't there, keep your trap shut.

I was at the meet too, and Fahy wasn't the only runner struggling, most everyone who came in looked bad, the only one I thought looked really good was the Arkansas girl who won. Katie Rainsberger struggled coming in to the finish as well. Times were much faster than I thought they were going to be.

Even though it was cloudy it was VERY humid. I believe it was 72 degrees when the men started at 9am

marathnr wrote:

I was at the meet too, and Fahy wasn't the only runner struggling, most everyone who came in looked bad, the only one I thought looked really good was the Arkansas girl who won. Katie Rainsberger struggled coming in to the finish as well. Times were much faster than I thought they were going to be.

Even though it was cloudy it was VERY humid. I believe it was 72 degrees when the men started at 9am

It was humid, but it was still a nice day to run. 72 at 9 a.m. and maybe 75 at 9:45 for the women even with a light cooling breeze. Also, those women destroyed the former course record. It wasn't the type of day that you would expect to see someone struggling in like Fahy was. I'm sure he and his coaches will figure out what went wrong. Also, I guess I'll disagree with you about "most everyone" looking bad. I think the exact opposite. They looked like you do at the end of a race, and some of them were absolutely flying at then end, especially Ratcliffe and the NAU guys.

Were you there? It was horrid. The runners could hardly breath. You must have a low running iq if you think that was a nice day to race

Where’s the running iq? wrote:

Were you there? It was horrid. The runners could hardly breath. You must have a low running iq if you think that was a nice day to race

Yes. I was there. It was humid, but I would have loved to have raced in those conditions. Several of the runners I know and talked to afterwards set PRs. The conditions weren't perfect, but they were far from horrible...overcast and 72 with a cool breeze for the men. Sun came out for the women a little bit, but even for them still ok.

But again, the comment you are referring to is my comment where I said they looked pretty typical to me when finishing. I didn't stick around to see the slower DIII runners finish, so maybe they had issues, but the D1 guys looked like how they do when they finish just about any cross country race...except for Fahy.

If a runner complains about THOSE conditions, then they need not be a runner, because in a cross country season at least in the midwest, you could easily have had 85+ degrees this early in the season, and below freezing temps with snow later on.

How in the world do they figure out the score in these races? Just take where the places where each individual finished and add them up? Curious

VroomVroom wrote:

How in the world do they figure out the score in these races? Just take where the places where each individual finished and add them up? Curious

Add the places of your top 5 runners.

Yep, that's him. Plus he's a sixth year so he should be really strong with the extra two years on typical seniors.

JamesTheAmateur wrote:

Yep, that's him. Plus he's a sixth year so he should be really strong with the extra two years on typical seniors.

Just to be clear since you referred to a post way from the beginning that has since been explained by me...Fahy was having an issue during the race...dehydration, cramps, something. Not something that is likely to happen again. I'm sure he and his coaches will figure it out. Had nothing to do with just being slow or not fit or not prepared to run on grass or any other such nonsense.

Flagpole wrote:

JamesTheAmateur wrote:

Yep, that's him. Plus he's a sixth year so he should be really strong with the extra two years on typical seniors.

Just to be clear since you referred to a post way from the beginning that has since been explained by me...Fahy was having an issue during the race...dehydration, cramps, something. Not something that is likely to happen again. I'm sure he and his coaches will figure it out. Had nothing to do with just being slow or not fit or not prepared to run on grass or any other such nonsense.

Yet he had no issues in far worse conditions = Austin, TX. Also, back then he was super excited at getting a 6th year for x-c, so clearly motivation wasn't an issue.

Also, that was a 4 hour (one way) drive for you - what gives?

NAU looks to have an incredible top seven if you look at the narrow spread of the top four runners in this race, Grijalva, Quax, Nur, and Hasty, all within six seconds of each other and fast at high 23/low 24, plus Beamish, Ferro, and the frosh Drew Bosley, who raced very well against the Japanese Ekiden champs recently. Living and training at 7,000 feet plus is no small advantage, but they certainly look like a machine right now even if we should discount early meet results in xc.

Stanford men held out 3 of their top-10: Lane, Vernau and Beaudoin-Rousseau.

It was the team's first race of the season coming off their training camp in Bend, OR.

The team score is 5-10 points in NAU's favor if Fahy doesn't have problems.

Conclusion: NAU is a little bit better at this point.

messi wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Just to be clear since you referred to a post way from the beginning that has since been explained by me...Fahy was having an issue during the race...dehydration, cramps, something. Not something that is likely to happen again. I'm sure he and his coaches will figure it out. Had nothing to do with just being slow or not fit or not prepared to run on grass or any other such nonsense.

Yet he had no issues in far worse conditions = Austin, TX. Also, back then he was super excited at getting a 6th year for x-c, so clearly motivation wasn't an issue.

Also, that was a 4 hour (one way) drive for you - what gives?

1) Sometimes with runners, you don't know when there will be an issue...he clearly doesn't have it every time.

2) I know some who were running. Went there with a friend of mine. Just got up early and went. You can accomplish a lot in a day when you begin at 4:30 a.m.

Flagpole wrote:

messi wrote:

Yet he had no issues in far worse conditions = Austin, TX. Also, back then he was super excited at getting a 6th year for x-c, so clearly motivation wasn't an issue.

Also, that was a 4 hour (one way) drive for you - what gives?

1) Sometimes with runners, you don't know when there will be an issue...he clearly doesn't have it every time.

2) I know some who were running. Went there with a friend of mine. Just got up early and went. You can accomplish a lot in a day when you begin at 4:30 a.m.

Flag, so true.