Being vegan worth it physically

YMMV wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Dr. Shawn Baker has been carnivore for like 2 years.

Moby has been vegan his entire life.

Apples to oranges.

And how someone looks on the outside is not a good indicator of health.

Dr. Shawn Baker also has testosterone levels equivalent to a woman’s.

Your comedy act is falling flat. Lies and half-truths that are increasingly stretched. Another example of vegan deterioration I guess.

You manage to be even more annoying and boring than radical vegans preaching veganism.

You've made your point on numerous threads. We heard you the first time. Stop polluting the message boards.

Thanks

Disclaimer: not a vegan, not a carnivore.

YMMV wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Dr. Shawn Baker has been carnivore for like 2 years.

Moby has been vegan his entire life.

Apples to oranges.

And how someone looks on the outside is not a good indicator of health.

Dr. Shawn Baker also has testosterone levels equivalent to a woman’s.

Your comedy act is falling flat. Lies and half-truths that are increasingly stretched. Another example of vegan deterioration I guess.

Yes, likely militant veganism psychosis.

It's a catch-22... Veganism causes psychosis, psychosis leads to militant veganism. I see these cases all the time in my practice.

YMMV wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Dr. Shawn Baker has been carnivore for like 2 years.

Moby has been vegan his entire life.

Apples to oranges.

And how someone looks on the outside is not a good indicator of health.

Dr. Shawn Baker also has testosterone levels equivalent to a woman’s.

Your comedy act is falling flat. Lies and half-truths that are increasingly stretched. Another example of vegan deterioration I guess.

What did I lie about? You didn't specify.

Carnivore Diet Proponent Dr. Shawn Baker's Low Testosterone:

Carnivore Diet Proponent Dr. Shawn Baker's High HDL and LDL:

But hey, he'll make a beautiful cadaver, and that's ALL that matters right?

YMMV if you post your bloodwork, I'll post mine. That would be entertaining.

crosscountryrunning wrote:

Okay so in my health class we watched "what the health" and it was pretty much vegan propaganda and they didn't give any evidence but they did have athletes on there that talked about how much better they got and how much better they felt and all that. But then there also people like sage canaday who don't get the necessary nutrients from being vegan so discuss. Is going vegan gonna help or hurt athletic performance. More specifically running since I'm a runner

Try eating more veggies and fruits. You get the same results even though you still eat meat.

Piano_Man87 wrote:

YMMV if you post your bloodwork, I'll post mine. That would be entertaining.

Dick measuring with lab results? That is vegan peckwoodery at it's zenith.

By the way Mic, you are looking a little rugged nowadays, like a twitchy meth head:

You should hit John up for some eggs, fish, HGH and Clen.

But I am sure your LDL is shiny bright and lovely in it's double-digit glory (being aware that low LDL has higher all-cause mortality).

It's accepted by the medical community that LDL correlates with heart disease. The strongest evidence is Mendellian randomization studies - people born with genetically low LDL have less CHD. They are just sorting out the nuances now - trying to see if the same is true for ischemic stroke risk.

It's the perfect kind of study because there is no healthy user bias, no placebo effect, etc. They simply look at people who have a specific gene for lower LDL and those who do not. And regardless of lifestyle, those with the gene have less heart disease and do live longer.

Piano_Man87 wrote:

It's accepted by the medical community that LDL correlates with heart disease. The strongest evidence is Mendellian randomization studies - people born with genetically low LDL have less CHD. They are just sorting out the nuances now - trying to see if the same is true for ischemic stroke risk.

It's the perfect kind of study because there is no healthy user bias, no placebo effect, etc. They simply look at people who have a specific gene for lower LDL and those who do not. And regardless of lifestyle, those with the gene have less heart disease and do live longer.

LDL is a transport and repair molecule, period. Don't blame the firetruck for what the pyromaniac (carbs + seed oils) did. No one wants to fund a study of the lethal dietary corporate-profit-driven combo of those latter two which has driven modern disease pathology; guess why...$$$$ talks, the truth walks.

YMMV wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

YMMV if you post your bloodwork, I'll post mine. That would be entertaining.

Dick measuring with lab results? That is vegan peckwoodery at it's zenith.

You lost here.

Accept the challenge or go home devastated.

Piano_Man87 wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Your comedy act is falling flat. Lies and half-truths that are increasingly stretched. Another example of vegan deterioration I guess.

What did I lie about? You didn't specify.

Carnivore Diet Proponent Dr. Shawn Baker's Low Testosterone:

https://robbwolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Shawn-Baker-labs-4.png

Carnivore Diet Proponent Dr. Shawn Baker's High HDL and LDL:

https://robbwolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Shawn-Baker-labs-3.jpeg

But hey, he'll make a beautiful cadaver, and that's ALL that matters right?

Data won't convince me. I will remain steadfast in my faith until I am convinced through my heart. As a libertarian, feelings are far more important than facts.

Excessive faith in science is epistemologically unsound. The scientific method has its limits. Insisting otherwise is a dogma called "scientism". Look it up.

my mileage varies wrote:

YMMV wrote:

The following MD's

Dr Zoe Harcombe

Zoe Harcombe is not an MD. She had just an undergrad degree in econ and math when she wrote most of her books. Then she got someone to give her a PhD in 2016 for what was essentially the manuscript for her latest book.

Makes me wonder about the rest of your list. Some are legit MDs, some have even kept their licenses consistently, but I haven't heard of some and I wonder if you're lying about them too.

It's also a list of terrible people (Zoe Harcombe wants me dead), snake oil salesmen, and media whores.

Well, Mic, you sure like to finger jab for someone who has, by your own admission, ZERO QUALIFICATIONS to be spewing your propagandistic BS across the internet. Does your hypocrisy salve your bottom-of-the-bucket self-esteem since you know deep in your hollowed-out soul that are dealing in nothing but lies, prevarication and malevolence. All with a hideous hairstyle, a pompous demeanor and a 1000-mile vegan death stare.

crosscountryrunning wrote:

think about that for a minute. wrote:

Think about the last race you were in. The dude who finished dead fing last was a meat eater.

The last 3 races I was in the winner was a meat eater. And I would know cause it was me

It is a fact that many tribes in Africa killed the people when they made it to age 30. Then they ate them.

How many African world record holders do we have?

Just sayin'

YMMV wrote:

Well, Mic, you sure like to finger jab for someone who has, by your own admission, ZERO QUALIFICATIONS to be spewing your propagandistic BS across the internet. Does your hypocrisy salve your bottom-of-the-bucket self-esteem since you know deep in your hollowed-out soul that are dealing in nothing but lies, prevarication and malevolence. All with a hideous hairstyle, a pompous demeanor and a 1000-mile vegan death stare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4f9hcHXp_k

"See how his pupils shrank in the brighter light? TEXTBOOK VEGAN DETERIORATION BOYS."

If you are going vegan purely for health benefits, going vegan doesn’t make much sense. Veganism has advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages are only worth it if you are going vegan for ethical reasons.

In our current world of polarized extremes, it is easy to forget that we are free to find a happy place somewhere in the middle. Obsessing over food is a great way to drive yourself bonkers.

I'm not sure this is sound. When done incorrectly, any diet can have advantages and disadvantages. Many times vegans eat a lot of processes foods... Or they fail to eat particular types of nutrients. This doesn't mean that the vegan diet has disadvantages.

I'm not a proponent of veganism. I generally like the taste of milk too much (and chocolate, and yogurt, and butter). I will say that last year I cut meat out of my diet as an experiment. For background, I am a generally healthy 35 year old with a cholesterol of 220 total - with very high HDL and a very low LDL rate. Not a bad cholesterol if you consider the details. My doctor was never worried. My family has a history of heart disease, but their diets were so poor that I hesitate to even consider if it is genetic or just diet...

However, I gave up meat for 6 months and tested my cholesterol and it had dropped to 170 total with a higher proportion of HDL to LDL. My weight also dropped 10 lbs. From an average and "thin" body type, to a lean and "thin" body type. No major changes, but slight adjustments. I didn't feel any different, and I didn't have any more energy. It's been a year now. I haven't tested my cholesterol again, but I"m up for a check soon. I imagine that it'll be lower than it was. My weight hasn't went down or up following the 10 lbs drop.

I don't think I changed my whole lifestyle around by cutting out meat. I do think I might have saved myself a little time and reduced some of the stress on my body in the long term. I certainly don't think I hurt it.

You are not sure that veganism has disadvantages? It is not humanly possible to become a huge (250+ pound) strength athlete on a vegan diet. And it is extremely convoluted and inconvenient to to be a sprinter, weight class boxer, MLB pitcher, etc. off of a strictly vegan diet.

Tiny distance runners may be able to get away with a vegan diet, but I think it would be insane to try it on a bigger distance runner like Wheating who needs truckloads of calories and protein.

Rupp fan wrote:

You are not sure that veganism has disadvantages? It is not humanly possible to become a huge (250+ pound) strength athlete on a vegan diet. And it is extremely convoluted and inconvenient to to be a sprinter, weight class boxer, MLB pitcher, etc. off of a strictly vegan diet.

And NFL: witness the death spiral of Cam Newton's career, and the plummet of the Titans in the rankings.

Started running 18 months ago, after going vegan. I was only able to start running because I had so much more natural energy from a eating a Whole foods plant based diet. It was never a goal of mine to become a runner, but when I changed my diet I had an abundance of energy i felt like I NEEDED to run. I'm also the only person I know who doesn't depend on caffeine throughout the day for energy - I run off of carbs and whole plants mainly.

That was 18 months ago, and since then I have brought my mileage up to 65 miles per week consistently for the last 4 months. I just ran a 5k pr of 16:56 today, an almost 50 second improvement off of my time of 17:49 from 2 months ago. Never had an injury. Make of this story what you will.

YMMV wrote:

Rupp fan wrote:

You are not sure that veganism has disadvantages? It is not humanly possible to become a huge (250+ pound) strength athlete on a vegan diet. And it is extremely convoluted and inconvenient to to be a sprinter, weight class boxer, MLB pitcher, etc. off of a strictly vegan diet.

And NFL: witness the death spiral of Cam Newton's career, and the plummet of the Titans in the rankings.

Cam Newton going vegan this year was an attempt to stop the death spiral of his career, recover from injury, and lose weight from his meat eating days. Hasn't worked yet, but he's no worse than he was last year. But honestly, he's still plenty big and strong, he just can't throw anymore, likely from shoulder injuries and the beatings he received for all the years before he went vegan. If you're right about vegans being weak, what he needs is for the defenders to go vegan.

I hadn't heard that Marcus Mariota had gone vegan. I just googled and it said he's eating more eggs and pasta and has intentionally put on weight. He sucks this year too, but he's not vegan. Is there someone else on the Titans who went vegan and is ruining their team? They did beat Cleveland, are 1-2, and have been an average team for years, so don't know about the "plummet". But ya, they pretty much stink.