sub-60s 400m/60s rest; how many have been accomplished ..?

To paraphrase Meb in his book 26 Marathons don't train for training medals.

In Recovery wrote:

Is there a ‘record’ for the number of 400m repeats done in 60 or faster

I saw a year or more ago on either FB or IG that Paul Chelimo did 25x400 with 1 min rest, he averaged 59+ for the entire set. On top of that he did them at an elevation of something like 6000 feet maybe a little bit higher.

My post got cut off ..hmm. How many, who did it, did you read about it, second hand from another or did you witness the workout in person..?

Judging by the numerous: Help me break 60 seconds over 400m posts, I assume O.P's fascination with sub-60 400m is due to O.P. not being able to race sub-60 400m.

Although not sub 60, Ben True did 16x400/1:00r in 61 reported by Todd Williams at Bertram high school in February 21st 2015 ..saw it on Facebook.

You're Welcome wrote:

In Recovery wrote:

Is there a ‘record’ for the number of 400m repeats done in 60 or faster

I saw a year or more ago on either FB or IG that Paul Chelimo did 25x400 with 1 min rest, he averaged 59+ for the entire set. On top of that he did them at an elevation of something like 6000 feet maybe a little bit higher.

25x400 on 60/60r, that’s insane, any clue where or how to find that post ?

Perry Mason wrote:

You're Welcome wrote:

I saw a year or more ago on either FB or IG that Paul Chelimo did 25x400 with 1 min rest, he averaged 59+ for the entire set. On top of that he did them at an elevation of something like 6000 feet maybe a little bit higher.

25x400 on 60/60r, that’s insane, any clue where or how to find that post ?

That's not insane. Think about this: world class 10000 m runners can run 25 consecutive laps around 64 s. Of course with the rest in between it is not that special to run just 4 s/lap faster than your 10 k pace.

No, it's insane all right. 60 seconds recovery on that many reps shows the reps aren't doing much damage.

But it's probably also not true. Video or it didn't happen.

Partridge wrote:

Perry Mason wrote:

25x400 on 60/60r, that’s insane, any clue where or how to find that post ?

That's not insane. Think about this: world class 10000 m runners can run 25 consecutive laps around 64 s. Of course with the rest in between it is not that special to run just 4 s/lap faster than your 10 k pace.

Paul Chelimo has run 12:57pb ..7:31pb .. (~27:00 equivalence) I think you can see that he’s running his 3,000m pace for 10,000 ... that is a hellish workout. Imagine if you could manage 5km in 15:17 ... you’d be drilling 25x400m @ 70 with 60 rest ... that’s why it’s insane !

How is it all that insane? For a guy who has run sub 13 and can likely run ~7:30, they are basically his 3k pace.

Sure, 10k of work at 3k pace is a lot, but that's why they were done in 400m reps and not 1000m reps. And for a professional runner running near 100mpw, its nothing insane.

I think people see 59 or 60 for 400m reps and think its insane without actually putting it into perspective.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

they are basically his 3k pace.

Sure, 10k of work at 3k pace is a lot, but that's why they were done in 400m reps and not 1000m reps.

400m reps with 1 minute recovery. 1 minute is not enough.

10x400 in 60 with 1 minute is a standard 4 flat mile indicator. Chelimo is a 3:55 guy, so he should be about done by 10x59.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

How is it all that insane? For a guy who has run sub 13 and can likely run ~7:30, they are basically his 3k pace.

Sure, 10k of work at 3k pace is a lot, but that's why they were done in 400m reps and not 1000m reps. And for a professional runner running near 100mpw, its nothing insane.

I think people see 59 or 60 for 400m reps and think its insane without actually putting it into perspective.

How often do you run 25x400 at 3K pace?

YMMV wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

How is it all that insane? For a guy who has run sub 13 and can likely run ~7:30, they are basically his 3k pace.

Sure, 10k of work at 3k pace is a lot, but that's why they were done in 400m reps and not 1000m reps. And for a professional runner running near 100mpw, its nothing insane.

I think people see 59 or 60 for 400m reps and think its insane without actually putting it into perspective.

How often do you run 25x400 at 3K pace?

He doesn’t ...and never has. He struts around the lrc message board but he’s never actually measured up.

YMMV wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

How is it all that insane? For a guy who has run sub 13 and can likely run ~7:30, they are basically his 3k pace.

Sure, 10k of work at 3k pace is a lot, but that's why they were done in 400m reps and not 1000m reps. And for a professional runner running near 100mpw, its nothing insane.

I think people see 59 or 60 for 400m reps and think its insane without actually putting it into perspective.

How often do you run 25x400 at 3K pace?

I do 20 x 300 at 1-2 s faster than 3 k pace sometimes. It is not that hard. Rest is 200 m jogging which is not much longer than 60 s for me (more like 65-70). I can imagine to extend that to 25 x 400 m at 3 k or at least 5 k pace.

I think you hobby joggers who believe it is impossible have following reasons:

1) you are slow and cannot do a single 400 in 60. So you can't imagine to do several of these, of course.

(for world class athletes it basically just 5 k pace)

2) you never do more than 10 x 400 (if at all), so 25 seems a lot.

(world class athletes are trained to do high numbers of intervals, some do up to 40 x 400 and more)

3) you are not trained to metabolize lactate fast, so 60 s seems to be very short (world class athletes likely recover better in 60 s than you in 3 min)

Partridge wrote:

you are not trained to metabolize lactate fast, so 60 s seems to be very short (world class athletes likely recover better in 60 s than you in 3 min)

recovering from reps has nothing to do with metabolizing lactate, which takes a lot longer than 60 seconds in any case.

I got to 7 when I was a sophomore in college, not running for the team.

Partridge wrote:

I think you hobby joggers who believe it is impossible have following reasons:

1) you are slow and cannot do a single 400 in 60. So you can't imagine to do several of these, of course.

(for world class athletes it basically just 5 k pace)

2) you never do more than 10 x 400 (if at all), so 25 seems a lot.

(world class athletes are trained to do high numbers of intervals, some do up to 40 x 400 and more)

3) you are not trained to metabolize lactate fast, so 60 s seems to be very short (world class athletes likely recover better in 60 s than you in 3 min)

You’re probably not much better than a hobby jogger lololol. Such an amazing expert. How many sub 60 400s with 1:00 rest can you do ..? I’ve done a grand total of 4 before I couldn’t stay under one minute per ...

Jzs wrote:

YMMV wrote:

How often do you run 25x400 at 3K pace?

He doesn’t ...and never has. He struts around the lrc message board but he’s never actually measured up.

I've actually run 21x400m avg 70, which at that time was probably closer to my 2k pace than my 3k pace, but we had 90s rest. But I'm also not a professional runner who runs 100mpw, and I'm more of a speed guy than Chelimo who would probably be recovering better/faster between reps.