Jerry Schumacher All-Time 5000m list

Impressive list. Not that it changes things a whole lot, but Barrios ran 13:07.79 for Mexico.

Bob Kennedy was coached by Kim McDonald

Has Jenkins really not gotten any faster since Oregon?

Wow! Those are some fast times. How many medals has that produced from these times?

Two of these people have medaled in the 5k, Chelimo and Lagat... And then Three others have medaled in other track events; Rupp, Centrowitz, and Jager. So two of the five people on this list who have global track medals were coached by Schumacher to get on this list.

Hot Takes wrote:

Medalio wrote:

Wow! Those are some fast times. How many medals has that produced from these times?

Two of these people have medaled in the 5k, Chelimo and Lagat... And then Three others have medaled in other track events; Rupp, Centrowitz, and Jager. So two of the five people on this list who have global track medals were coached by Schumacher to get on this list.

Schumacher has coached 1 athlete on this list to a medal. Centro never won a medal under Schumacher. Interestingly every other coach on this list has more than 1 medal...

I thought that Jenkins was coached by Salazar.

Schumacher has proven he can get athletes to the 13 level. He's great at that and building team camaraderie. He needs work in properly peaking his male athletes for the European circuit and championships.

1 actually wrote:

Interestingly every other coach on this list has more than 1 medal...

So does Schumacher.

He does get his athletes peaked at the right time, it's September or the end of the season and they all ran PR's, it's just that it's so hard to get guys in those good european races. The PB's of half the guys in any DL race is right around 13 flat or better. Having 13:12 PR's might get you into one of those races if you're lucky, and it won't be at the end of the season.

Now that Lopez, Kincaid, and Centro have the fast PR, they'll be able to get into some of those faster races next year. Unfortunately next year the focus will be the olympics, and I can see them not racing a whole lot early in the year to hopefully guarantee their spot on the US olympic team in July and doing well at the olympics.

He ran 13:07 before joining the evil empire of NOP.

They are peaked wrote:

Now that Lopez, Kincaid, and Centro have the fast PR, they'll be able to get into some of those faster races next year.

Yeah not gonna hold my breath on that...

They are peaked wrote:

Unfortunately next year the focus will be the olympics, and I can see them not racing a whole lot early in the year...

That is what will happen and nothing says, “I’m ready to jockey through the turbulent 5,000m rounds” like failing tactically in spectacular fashion at USA Champs, time trial qualifying in perfect conditions without traveling, and generally never racing on the international stage at any meet or on any surface— Diamond League, indoor, XC, or otherwise.

Jerry's guys finished 1st and 3rd at USA's in the 5k, that's not "failing tactically". The failure was in not getting them the standard before the meet.

Bonkers wrote:

Jerry's guys finished 1st and 3rd at USA's in the 5k, that's not "failing tactically". The failure was in not getting them the standard before the meet.

1st and 3rd placing is moot.

Failing to run the time before, during- by mere seconds, then getting way under after USAs when doing so was basically inconsequential (given the Olympics are a year away and proving their insane fitness leading up to the TT) are all failures of scheduling, coaching and tactics.

Bonkers wrote:

Jerry's guys finished 1st and 3rd at USA's in the 5k, that's not "failing tactically". The failure was in not getting them the standard before the meet.

Don't waste your time trying to engage a guy who thinks that winning a national title is irrelevant.

the beagle wrote:

Bonkers wrote:

Jerry's guys finished 1st and 3rd at USA's in the 5k, that's not "failing tactically". The failure was in not getting them the standard before the meet.

Don't waste your time trying to engage a guy who thinks that winning a national title is irrelevant.

... I don’t stop at national titles

revisionist history wrote:

zxcvzcvx wrote:

I thought that Jenkins was coached by Salazar.

He ran 13:07 before joining the evil empire of NOP.

He ran 13:05 indoor with NOP though

That's an impressive list. Get this: most of them are currently competing.

doot doot wrote:

the beagle wrote:

Don't waste your time trying to engage a guy who thinks that winning a national title is irrelevant.

... I don’t stop at national titles

Can you explain what your deep rooted hate for btc stems from? its borderline obsessive

the beagle wrote:

Bonkers wrote:

Jerry's guys finished 1st and 3rd at USA's in the 5k, that's not "failing tactically". The failure was in not getting them the standard before the meet.

Don't waste your time trying to engage a guy who thinks that winning a national title is irrelevant.

He has a good point. While it's true there's nothing to scoff at a USA title, the goal of all these runners is the global championships. I could be wrong though. Maybe some of these guys do not want to compete at the World Championships. But I doubt it. The point is this: it is a failure to not make the World Championships when you place in the top 3. You can incorrectly blame IAAF for stricter rules, but it's on the coach and athletes to follow the rules. As it stands, it's a fact to say, they failed in qualifying for the world champs.