Elijah Manangoi not going to Doha! Ankle injury

You are a PVssy wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Sounds like you were the p*ssy for complaining about it in the first place. If you ran on a sprained ankle the next day you didn't sprain it.

Grade 2 sprain is ligament damage it takes 4-6 weeks to heal. I had a proper ankle sprain diagnosed through MRI and it took over 3 months to heal properly enough to race on. Started training after about 8 weeks on grass. 3 weeks total rest.

I didn't complain. I just taped it up and got back at it. You think it was floppy due to nothing?

You were a baby about your little niggle.

Coe ran the Euros in '78 not long after rupturing everything in one of his ankles.

^^proof that Coevett is in fact a runner and his schtick about being an old MMA guy who "runs" 30 minute 5ks is bs.

ex-runner wrote:

You are a PVssy wrote:

I didn't complain. I just taped it up and got back at it. You think it was floppy due to nothing?

You were a baby about your little niggle.

Coe ran the Euros in '78 not long after rupturing everything in one of his ankles.

You can't run without ligaments period.

Don't make up stupid macho (false) stories.

I taped it and ran. You did not because you are a pvssy… Or a doper…..

abde wrote:

You are a PVssy wrote:

I didn't complain. I just taped it up and got back at it. You think it was floppy due to nothing?

You were a baby about your little niggle.

Coe ran the Euros in '78 not long after rupturing everything in one of his ankles.

^^proof that Coevett is in fact a runner and his schtick about being an old MMA guy who "runs" 30 minute 5ks is bs.

Sub 17 guy here.

I had a bad ankle sprain that kept me from walking for a month. Grant Hill had ankle sprains that essentially ruined his career. If he loses a week of training so close to Worlds and comes back too soon he might cost himself his chance at the Olympics next year, which most athletes prioritize over Worlds.

No, but I always have doubts. If you’d care to read my post a little more closely, you will see that I am pointing out that responses I have seen are making less conjecture and more accusation.

zxcvvzxc wrote:

I had a bad ankle sprain that kept me from walking for a month. Grant Hill had ankle sprains that essentially ruined his career. If he loses a week of training so close to Worlds and comes back too soon he might cost himself his chance at the Olympics next year, which most athletes prioritize over Worlds.

Or he misses two years for a potato positive.

EPOtatoes wrote:

zxcvvzxc wrote:

I had a bad ankle sprain that kept me from walking for a month. Grant Hill had ankle sprains that essentially ruined his career. If he loses a week of training so close to Worlds and comes back too soon he might cost himself his chance at the Olympics next year, which most athletes prioritize over Worlds.

Or he misses two years for a potato positive.

he should get into the tea industry, i mean sh*t $32 for a cup of tea is some serious cash! i can see why kiprop wasnt wanting to pony up the dough, f*ck thats the price of a decent bottle of wine where im from, but for a measly cup of earl grey? lolz!

I think there is more to the story than just an ankle injury.

Apart from DL Doha E. Manangoi has run 1500m times far under his normal level this year. Reportedly due to another injury in the early DL season which injury has kept him away for he rest of the season..

But he is not the only Kenyan top runner who has been underperforming recently:

His younger brother George ran PB 3:31.49 in DL Monaco but only narrowly got the third place for Doha at the Kenyan trials last week with a time around 6 seconds slower.

And the other Kenyan DL runners Bethwell Birgen, Vincent Kibet and Charles Simotho all ran far slower than their SB´s at the same trials (9, 5 and 5 seconds slower respectively). None of them qualified for Doha.

So there seems to be a pattern: Somehow all? the top runners were in very bad shape at the trials only 3 weeks before the 1500m heats in Doha?!

The good question: Is Timothy part of the same pattern?

But it does not stop with the 1500m runners. The pattern is even more extreme with the 5000m runners:

Edward Zakayo Pingua did not qualify for Doha since he ran around 1 minute ! slower than his PB best 13:03.19 from DL Rome at the 5000m trials last week (the explanation was illness after African Games where he placed second in the 5000m).

Stanley Waithaka Mburu who ran 13:06.29 in DL Zürich didn´t qualify either. I am not sure if he competed at all at the trials. If he competed he didn´t finish.

Robert Kiprop who beat Edward Zakayo Pingua at the African Games and set PB at the Kenyan Championships in the end of August with 13:21.86 also missed Doha since he only managed to run 13:41.50 at the trials.

Only top 5000m runner to qualify for Doha was Nicholas Kipkorir Kimeli who set PB this year with 12:57.90. In the trials, however, he was no. 3 running 30 seconds slower than PB in 13:27.99.

Kimeli is most likely the only Kenyan 5000m runner to compete in Doha since no. 1 and 2 were sub elite runners who has not been doping tested sufficiently (as already described elsewhere on Letsrun).

It will be interesting to see how much the qualified Kenyan athletes in the 1500m and the 5000m are able to improve their current poor times in the few weeks up to Doha.

Injuries are there, it's stupid to think that everytime there is an injury it's because of dopping. Many people knows Jordi Totti. Is not a physio, is the second coach there and doing the strength training and recovery with athletes. He was living here in Iten for a while. Athletes and coaches are very happy with his work. He lives here and married with a Kenyan.

My guess is that E. Manangoi is seriously over the hill and that he won´t come back to his former level.

I stopped reading when you tried to compare times from Monaco to times at the Kenyan trials. I thought better of LRC posters.

objectiveobserver wrote:

My guess is that E. Manangoi is seriously over the hill and that he won´t come back to his former level.

He looks like he's over 40.

Middle-aged Kenyan Superstars wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

My guess is that E. Manangoi is seriously over the hill and that he won´t come back to his former level.

He looks like he's over 40.

You are in need of new glasses.

Again, I cant accept this kind of comments, thinking every injury is an excuse for hiding doping. Concerning my first comment, I would like to clarify that Jordi Totti, the Spanish coach who works with Ouma everyday (Icalled him "physio" because he follows Ouma groups also in their training in the gym, but really he is a coach) told me that Elijah Manang'oi was improving but also in his opinion to heal any injury in only one week would be quite difficult.

The behavior in this Website becomes every day worse : without any proof, athletes are considered "guilty for association" because some time in their life trained with some other athlete caught for doping. This happened in the case of Timothy because there is a picture with him in training with Asbel Kiprop when they were in the official kenyan training camp for preparing Olympics, happened with Florence Kiplagat associated with Joyce Chepkirui because one time they ran together, and happens with a lot of other athletes, while people not knowing anything about the real activity in Kenya (and how the training group are formed) decide who is doped looking at one casual picture showing some athlete together (and of course the best are frequently together in the training camp of the Federation before institutional Championships).

I don't think that to have suspicions for every athlete (because many Kenyans were caught) is a fair behavior, and can't accept any generalization fruit of obsession and not of facts.

Coevett wrote:

Jakob has chased down on Tim at least twice this season. He hasn't managed it yet, but after rounds and after Tim maybe having to push the pace if he wants a fast pace, it might be a different story.

He hasn't even gotten close. The story will be the same thing - a boy trying to chase down a man.

He'll hang back as always, and in the end pass a few people but oops, he forgot he doesn't have the speed. How's that gonna work out for him at 3:35 pace instead of 3:30? He'll be lucky to medal at all.

There's people he's beaten all year who are gonna own him.

I only related to Monaco regarding George´s PB.

Don´t you like to comment on the rest of the top runners´ poor results at the trials for Doha?

Hardloper wrote:

kid from PA wrote:

And the 1500 gets even more wide open... JI for the win?

As long as Tim Cheruiyot is there isn't not wide open at all

This

It´s true it is a boy against men; but a rather unusual boy!

Are you man enough to come back on this thread in 3 weeks time if JI proves you and other "negativists" wrong again.

Middle-aged Kenyan Superstars wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

My guess is that E. Manangoi is seriously over the hill and that he won´t come back to his former level.

He looks like he's over 40.

+1

Even little brother George looks over 40.