Elijah Manangoi not going to Doha! Ankle injury

Alll wrote:

What can he write about Kiprop and Kiptum. They were doping, they got caught. That's all

well he wrote all sorts of things about past dopers defending them and claiming they only doped once and only once and how it in fact made them slower, its not rosas fault, its a placebo effect, they dont even take asprin etc.....but very very mum on kiprop and kiptum. at least El K through in the towel finally.

what i want to know is what happened end of april first of may this year

03 MAY 2019 IAAF Diamond League, Doha QATQAT GW F 1. 3:32.21

30 MAY 2019 BAUHAUS-galan, Olympiastadion, Stockholm SWESWE GW F 10. 3:48.83

30 JUN 2019 Prefontaine Classic, Palo Alto, CA USAUSA F F 3:39.38

21 AUG 2019 Kenyan Ch., Nyayo National Stadium, Nairobi KENKEN B H3 1. 3:42.54

22 AUG 2019 Kenyan Ch., Nyayo National Stadium, Nairobi KENKEN B F 1. 3:37.36

something happened and the sauce was stopped and now the "injury" comes out....like come on he has been running lsow as balls since end of may...nope nothing to see here

Athletes from different countries have injuries. Injuries=worse training=worse results. I know it can be very hard for people (like you) to understand it. Yes injuries exist.

Renato, I think you are missing the point here a little bit. The point is that it is fair and reasonable conjecture that when Elijah Manangoi withdraws from the World Championships almost 18 days in advance (supposedly over an ankle injury that takes 7 days to fully heal - your words, in a time period where almost certainly no "critical preparation" is happening) to suspect that something else could be at play.

The reason why it is fair is because of a number of high profile doping cases that have come to the fore in Kenya in recent years as well as multiple other incidents and reports that link to such a suspicion.

What isn't okay (for example) is when you seemingly discredit (for example) the work of journalists, claiming they "build stories" and get "scoops" by praying on poor athletes from poor countries because its very easy to point to yourself and people you associate with and accuse them of exactly the same.

Nobody here said every and ALL top athletes, especially Kenyans, are doping, however the reality is thanks to athletes such as Asbel Kiprop, Kipyegon Bett, Jemima Sumgong, Rita Jeptoo, coupled with a glaring doping control issue in Kenya and massive corruption there is just that suspicion. When it comes to Elijah Manangoi the reality that he is pulling out from an event like the World Championships 18 days prior with an injury that takes (in your words) 7 days to fully heal during a time where you and I both know that no "critical preparation " is really happening - this is interesting no matter how you want to look at it. Why is it so interesting? Well the last Kenyan world 1500m champion prior to Managoi was, yep, Asbel Kiprop.

Perhaps referring to this as "mental illness" isn't quite the best way to phrase it given real mental illness that people have to deal with. I mean some could say your devout and aggressive defense of Kenyan athletes despite everything that has been happening in the last 5 years in particular is some interesting mental condition. Most likely though it is an understandable human condition - for you as a coach of a lot of Kenyan athletes you really do want to believe it is just a combination of their given natural abilities and your coaching expertise that leads to their ultimate success. Its not easy to admit that maybe it wasn't just a result of your training programs that led to exceptional performances and even if you truly don't know it's better to see, hear or speak no evil on this topic and live in some Utopian realm of peace and tranquility.

Either way you don't have any right to critique anybody that decides to have a point of view or ask a difficult question just because it's not something you don't want to even consider.

The point is that it is fair and reasonable conjecture...

“Fair and reasonable conjecture?” Seriously, have you even visited the LRC message boards? The reaction might not have elicited as much vitriol from Coach Canova as we have seen if it were anything less than blatant accusation and snide insinuation. I can’t speak for Canova, but I can say that I don’t feel that an assumption of guilt is warranted. Maybe he is injured and maybe there is another reason. Simple fact is: “We don’t know.”

zcvxzcvx wrote:

With him definitely out, Cheruiyot becomes the huge favorite. Ingebrigtsens have a very good chance at medals.

Cheruiyot was already the huge favorite, and Ingebrigtsens aren't gonna win because it will be too slow and they aren't kickers.

Nobody cares about WC medals other than gold, and nobody really cares much about gold either. Going fast is what matters. I don't think I'll even watch, the season is over for 800 and up.

Well, Cheruiyot was by far the best this year but Manangoi had a very good record against Cheruiyot in championship races, so a healthy Manangoi would have been a good bet for gold in a kicker's race. Filip is a World medalist already in the 1500m and Jakob will likely join him this year. Manangoi's absence makes that more likely. I doubt that Tim will let this race dawdle because he knows that the ability to hold a hard pace is his defining ability. Then he would let Lewandowski and others like Centro into the race.

Alll wrote:

What can he write about Kiprop and Kiptum. They were doping, they got caught. That's all

But those were two of the very best! C'mon man...the 3rd fastest 1500 ever and the HM WR! Are you kidding me - these are best of the best! This put Canova's position in question that top Kenyan athletes can be clean, and that it's possible to run a WR without any illegal aid.

Knows Uncle Phil when he sees Uncle Phil wrote:

Glowing...

Moran. If the drug testers wanted, they could do some targeted whereabouts tests, which they have been known to do. Everyone except you and the other morans in this thread know that you don't get out of testing by announcing injury.

Renato Canova wrote:

Of course I feel pity for all people having the brain of a hen.

That's being too generous.

time for centro gold part 2

Quick question for you - there is zero doubt in your mind, and I mean zero, that this is nothing more than a simple ankle injury keeping EM out?

The somewhat odd circumstance (7 days to heal but we are pulling out with 18 days left until the first round), the current doping climate in Kenya (they are on WADAs high alert list), the fact that Kenyan middle distance running - especially on the mens middle distance side, has seen a spate of bans in recent years - this leads you to zero doubt?

For the record I couldn't care less and it probably is just an injury - I just find it hilarious we are jumping on people that suggest otherwise as miserable, angry, deluded, racist lunatics for even mentioned another possibility.

So let me ask you again - zero doubt in your mind this is just exactly how its been reported?

ex-runner wrote:

The narrow mindedness of Letsrun posters such as yourself is your weakness. You see everything from the point of view of a middle distance fan. Look at the bigger picture. Nobody actually cares at all if Manangoi can't attend except maybe some Kenyan fans. That's it. He's not in a headline event. He's not a headline athlete. I'd go as far as to say the large majority of fans worldwide won't have heard of Manangoi and maybe less than 10% know he is the defending champion in the men's 1500m.

And yet you don't have a problem with a country with a proven doping problem dominating and killing the sport with mostly faceless athletes.

Your problem is that you see everything from the point of view of a Kenyan doping apologist.

ex-runner wrote:

Knows Uncle Phil when he sees Uncle Phil wrote:

Glowing...

Yep he has to pull out of a championships to avoid testing positive in 6 days time for a drug (EPO) which has a half life of 5 hours.

Makes perfect sense.

Only on Letsrun!!

If his pull out is drugs related then it's likely something to do with the Kenyan doping authorities and/or the requirement to be tested three times before Doha which has cost the 5K guys their places.

Have to be honest, especially given that Kiprop was the mentor of Manangoi, that he's had a strange season, and stranger still when you consider that so has his little brother.

Bad Wigins wrote:

zcvxzcvx wrote:

With him definitely out, Cheruiyot becomes the huge favorite. Ingebrigtsens have a very good chance at medals.

Cheruiyot was already the huge favorite, and Ingebrigtsens aren't gonna win because it will be too slow and they aren't kickers.

I don't even know if Manangoi's absence will even help Tim.

Jakob has chased down on Tim at least twice this season. He hasn't managed it yet, but after rounds and after Tim maybe having to push the pace if he wants a fast pace, it might be a different story.

A lot of pressure on Tim - this likely will be his best ever chance at gold and he hasn't seemed to have handled pressure well in the past.

Jakob winning a world championship medal (possibly two) still in his teens (turns 19 this week) will be the biggest story in athletics all year.

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:

For the record I couldn't care less and it probably is just an injury - I just find it hilarious we are jumping on people that suggest otherwise as miserable, angry, deluded, racist lunatics for even mentioned another possibility.

+1

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:

Quick question for you - there is zero doubt in your mind, and I mean zero, that this is nothing more than a simple ankle injury keeping EM out?

Are you Manangoi's physio that you now how complicated is this injury and when he can start training?

Imagine different situation. Emma Coburn is not going to Doha due to an ankle injury. Would you also accuse her of doping

Coevett wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Cheruiyot was already the huge favorite, and Ingebrigtsens aren't gonna win because it will be too slow and they aren't kickers.

I don't even know if Manangoi's absence will even help Tim.

Jakob has chased down on Tim at least twice this season. He hasn't managed it yet, but after rounds and after Tim maybe having to push the pace if he wants a fast pace, it might be a different story.

A lot of pressure on Tim - this likely will be his best ever chance at gold and he hasn't seemed to have handled pressure well in the past.

Jakob winning a world championship medal (possibly two) still in his teens (turns 19 this week) will be the biggest story in athletics all year.

Henrik Ingebritsen was "likely doping" on leaked IAAF list. So I don't know who is more suspicious

Alll wrote:

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:

Quick question for you - there is zero doubt in your mind, and I mean zero, that this is nothing more than a simple ankle injury keeping EM out?

Are you Manangoi's physio that you now how complicated is this injury and when he can start training?

Imagine different situation. Emma Coburn is not going to Doha due to an ankle injury. Would you also accuse her of doping

Gerry Lindgren raced in the Olympic 10000 on a sprained ankle. Yuki ran Fukuoka in 2:09 one year and sprained his ankle very badly the day before. I have sprained my ankles many many times and every single time I was back to normal within a few days. This idea of a ankle sprain keeping you from competing in 2 weeks times is very suspicious. And yes I would say the same thing too if this was a white American doing this.

You probably don't know what people write on this forum. There are doping accusations in every thread about any kenyan athlete.