Jordan hasay 72:35 3rd in Philadelphia half

She said she had to poop real bad.

72:35 if it was sub-max is a solid effort in crappy conditions. She’ll be rolling in Chicago.

I ran 1:10:50 a few weeks ago at marathon effort in perfect conditions so I guess we can compare finish times at Chicago.

noticer of idiots wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

1:03 is crappy if you're in 2:05 marathon shape

^ Someone who is ignorant about how to build up correctly prior to a marathon.

But wait, remember how Parky Stinson's monster workouts perfectly predicted his marathon performance??

noticer of idiots wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

1:03 is crappy if you're in 2:05 marathon shape

^ Someone who is ignorant about how to build up correctly prior to a marathon.

I very much doubt Khannouchi's plan was to get 4th in 1:03 in that race considering he won it the previous 3 years in much faster times. I also doubt an elite runner would be only targeting marathon pace in a half marathon race. 13 miles @ MP that close to peak fitness shouldn't be difficult to do alone, let alone in a race.

You ain't going to race faster than before if you're currently training harder than ever before.

AR? wrote:

OK, marathon pace it was wrote:

Most of the Board seems to be trying to put a good spin on Hasay's time. If you insist it was supposed to be a marathon pace workout, that would still put the AR completely out of reach. KK as previously mentioned ran Chicago slightly faster than the half. If all of you seem certain she will do the same, that still brings her in much slower than either the AR or what will be the winning time in Chicago.

Why so much focus on an AR? Hasay has the trials to run and then the Olympics if she makes the team. She is also coming off another significant injury. Her goal is unlikely to be the AR. It is more like to run sub a 2:25, and not sub 2:20 ... maybe after the more Olympics she will go for the AR.

Ask her why the focus is (or perhaps WAS) on the record. She's the one that blabbed about it. Remember Matt Llano? Understandable if you don't, as he's faded into well-deserved obscurity, but he wouldn't shut up about his first marathon. Said 2:09 for a while, mentioned 2:08. Predicted breaking Hall's American debut record. There was even a thread here (I think it's gone now) entitled 'Who is Matt Llano and why does he think he can run 2:09?' Well, let's just say we all know - if you've never heard of him, you certainly can guess - what happened. And he deserved all the criticism and ridicule he got. He brought it on himself. I generally don't make fun of anyone running even 2:15 or 2:16 but feel good about doing so if they bragged for a year about sub-2:10. This is the exact same situation. Who says Hasay is trying to break Kastor's record and thinks it's realistic? Hasay did, that's who. Running 2:28 or 2:29 is good by my standards but she should be embarrassed if something like that happens. Not so much for running a fine time, but for a year's worth of bragging that she didn't back up.

Hardloper wrote:

noticer of idiots wrote:

^ Someone who is ignorant about how to build up correctly prior to a marathon.

I very much doubt Khannouchi's plan was to get 4th in 1:03 in that race considering he won it the previous 3 years in much faster times. I also doubt an elite runner would be only targeting marathon pace in a half marathon race. 13 miles @ MP that close to peak fitness shouldn't be difficult to do alone, let alone in a race.

^ Someone who doubles down on their ignorant about how to build up correctly prior to a marathon.

noticer of idiots wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

I very much doubt Khannouchi's plan was to get 4th in 1:03 in that race considering he won it the previous 3 years in much faster times. I also doubt an elite runner would be only targeting marathon pace in a half marathon race. 13 miles @ MP that close to peak fitness shouldn't be difficult to do alone, let alone in a race.

^ Someone who doubles down on their ignorant about how to build up correctly prior to a marathon.

Okay tell me how you built up correctly for your 4:22 at the Disney Marathon then

Hardloper wrote:

Okay tell me how you built up correctly for MY 4:22 at the Disney Marathon running in MY PINK PRINCESS OUTFIT then

You're slow and stupid.

You are also trolling on LRC while you are supposed to be working. You're at Microsoft, true. They don't like employees stealing their work time.

OK, marathon pace it was wrote:

Most of the Board seems to be trying to put a good spin on Hasay's time. If you insist it was supposed to be a marathon pace workout, that would still put the AR completely out of reach. KK as previously mentioned ran Chicago slightly faster than the half. If all of you seem certain she will do the same, that still brings her in much slower than either the AR or what will be the winning time in Chicago.

But this assumes perfect weather. The plan was probably 13.1 @ 1:09-10ish with a post race workout or whatever. 70s & humidity makes 1:12 seem right to me. I ran a half a few weeks back in tough conditions and just a touch slower than goal marathon pace and felt like I was working way too hard. Knocked out a 16 mile simulator 10 seconds/mile faster than the race and felt like I could have kept going in much better conditions. Weather matters.

AR? wrote:

OK, marathon pace it was wrote:

Most of the Board seems to be trying to put a good spin on Hasay's time. If you insist it was supposed to be a marathon pace workout, that would still put the AR completely out of reach. KK as previously mentioned ran Chicago slightly faster than the half. If all of you seem certain she will do the same, that still brings her in much slower than either the AR or what will be the winning time in Chicago.

Why so much focus on an AR? Hasay has the trials to run and then the Olympics if she makes the team. She is also coming off another significant injury. Her goal is unlikely to be the AR. It is more like to run sub a 2:25, and not sub 2:20 ... maybe after the more Olympics she will go for the AR.

What's your point? Nothing wrong with having big goals. When you've run 2:20 then 2:19 is a logical goal although I'm sure staying healthy and making an Olympic team is a more important goal.

Yeah, weather matters for sure. It definitely mattered in Philly. Far from ideal. She made no big, bold predictions about this half. Wasn't claiming a record was going down. Given the conditions, a decent run.

But you agree she is targeting the AR in Chicago and believes it's reasonable to get it. You also believe that Philly was a decent stepping-stone towards that. That's where I have to disagree. She is not close to sub-2:20. We'll have to wait and see, but I ain't holding my breath.

Hardloper wrote:

What's your point? Nothing wrong with having big goals. When you've run 2:20 then 2:19 is a logical goal although I'm sure staying healthy and making an Olympic team is a more important goal.

Point 1:

She, like Llano, has been bragging up a storm. If you didn't catch wind of this, you're not paying attention. I just posted some reminders to this effect.

Point 2:

Also like Llano, she won't come close to the predictions. Let's call Philly a race-pace workout without much taper in less than perfect conditions. 2:25 is realistic, perhaps likely. 2:19 is not.

Are we all forgetting just how good of a marathoner Hasay is? She has done extremely well in Chicago. I mean 2:20 is nothing to sniff your nose at.

She also seems made for the marathon. And excelling at that exact distance. Not the half but the full. So yeah I am not too worried what her half time is with probably 100miles in the legs that week. Come taper she will be flying. She has said multiple times when she did half that while she lacked top speed she felt she could easily hold that pace another half marathon.

So with tapered legs two 1:10 half back to back seem entirely possible for her. Hard but possible.

OK, marathon pace it was wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

What's your point? Nothing wrong with having big goals. When you've run 2:20 then 2:19 is a logical goal although I'm sure staying healthy and making an Olympic team is a more important goal.

Point 1:

She, like Llano, has been bragging up a storm. If you didn't catch wind of this, you're not paying attention. I just posted some reminders to this effect.

Point 2:

Also like Llano, she won't come close to the predictions. Let's call Philly a race-pace workout without much taper in less than perfect conditions. 2:25 is realistic, perhaps likely. 2:19 is not.

So? Nothing wrong with setting a high goal and not hitting it.

It seems to work for her

Hardloper wrote:

noticer of idiots wrote:

^ Someone who is ignorant about how to build up correctly prior to a marathon.

I very much doubt Khannouchi's plan was to get 4th in 1:03 in that race considering he won it the previous 3 years in much faster times. I also doubt an elite runner would be only targeting marathon pace in a half marathon race. 13 miles @ MP that close to peak fitness shouldn't be difficult to do alone, let alone in a race.

Didn't Ryan Hall often only raced 10k and half marathons at his marathon pace before running that pace for the full distance?

1776 wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

I very much doubt Khannouchi's plan was to get 4th in 1:03 in that race considering he won it the previous 3 years in much faster times. I also doubt an elite runner would be only targeting marathon pace in a half marathon race. 13 miles @ MP that close to peak fitness shouldn't be difficult to do alone, let alone in a race.

Didn't Ryan Hall often only raced 10k and half marathons at his marathon pace before running that pace for the full distance?

Yeah but he didn't intend to go that slow.