KAMWOROR 57.59 WR

Please tell us more about his last training sessions. (And - by the way - Seven Hills is in November).

zizwami wrote:

Please tell us more about his last training sessions. (And - by the way - Seven Hills is in November).

I would not be surprised if they're similar, or exactly the same as what Eluid Kipchoge is doing.

Which in the end, lends credibility to the idea that any training is good training, and being so specific about every detail isn't that important.

As little as 135 mL of blood can boost performance by 4.7%! ? And those small amounts don’t lead to an ABP bust. (BTW, H. Ingebrigtsen was flagged as “likely doping” at one point).

From personal experience: I once had 7 or 8 tubes of blood drawn (I just wanted my iron checked, but the doctor decided to run a bunch of other random tests). My running for the next day or two was definitely worse than usual. A little bit of blood makes a big difference.

UA Runner wrote:

zizwami wrote:

Please tell us more about his last training sessions. (And - by the way - Seven Hills is in November).

I would not be surprised if they're similar, or exactly the same as what Eluid Kipchoge is doing.

Which in the end, lends credibility to the idea that any training is good training, and being so specific about every detail isn't that important.

Most likely. As I just said in another thread I went from doing half marathon training ~ 55-60mpw to marathon training at 100mpw, which has plenty of LT runs, and my time dropped from 1:19, which was hard to get to 1:16 which felt more like just a good hard effort.

big dave22 wrote:

Countless East Africans busted for doping?

"I'm sure the ones still competing are clean though!"

Corrupt coaches and agents explicitly linked to doping?

"That's no guarantee that all their athletes dope!"

Men with 5 o'clock shadow and receding hairlines winning junior races?

"Life is just harder over there, they age faster!"

Proof that EPO is available over the counter and drug testing is nonexistent?

"Still doesn't mean they're cheating! They ran 20 miles to school every day!"

Cheater shoes with literal springs in them?

"Hey they only improve efficiency by 4%, they don't make you 4% faster!"

HONK HONK.

Woody Kincaid ran 12:58, all the proof you need East Africans are clean

yeah but.... wrote:

big dave22 wrote:

Countless East Africans busted for doping?

"I'm sure the ones still competing are clean though!"

Corrupt coaches and agents explicitly linked to doping?

"That's no guarantee that all their athletes dope!"

Men with 5 o'clock shadow and receding hairlines winning junior races?

"Life is just harder over there, they age faster!"

Proof that EPO is available over the counter and drug testing is nonexistent?

"Still doesn't mean they're cheating! They ran 20 miles to school every day!"

Cheater shoes with literal springs in them?

"Hey they only improve efficiency by 4%, they don't make you 4% faster!"

HONK HONK.

Woody Kincaid ran 12:58, all the proof you need East Africans are clean

Or all the proof you need that Woody and other top westerners are on the same 32 dollar tea as them.

D.Katz wrote:

What method of measurement would be more accurate, affordable, and practical for the tens of thousands of races around the world?

Thanks David,

In addition the short course factor addition allows for any error

since the 10k wr should be 2600

some dude with ultimate pacing and competition can go 133x 5k pace all the way,

thats where the half record should be,

Of course 58:01 by Kamworor has been an amazing World Record and sure more in line with 5000 and 10000 WR by Bekele and also with Kipchoge marathon world record.

Let's stop all suspects about this performance ( I dont want to say that I m sure this performance is totally clean but till we dont have proof of the contrary is nonsense to keep on suspects).

To celebrate Kamworor I would like to bring the words of Coach Renato Canova on this forum back in march 2014 more than 5 years ago is a great read from a great coach .

From Renato Canova post march 2014 on LetsRun:

One day of October 2010, Patrick Sang was in his car, travelling for going to Kaptagat camp. Some kilometer before the camp of Global, where he trains the athletes, he saw one guy, still very young, running very fast on the side of the road. Patrick stopped the car, approached the runner asking him “are you interested to become a professional runner ?”. The guy answered : “Yes, last June already I went to compete in Finland before I’ve a friend paying for me the flight, but I was not very good : I ran my first 3000m in 7’54”, and one week later my first 1500m in 3’48””.

“I’m not interested in what you already did. I’m interested in what you can do in the future, and I think you can become a very good runner. Join our camp, tomorrow you can start to work with some of the best Kenyan we have in our group”.

The guy was Geoffrey Kipsang. In less than 4 months, he became the World Junior Champion of Cross Country, showing strong mentality and attitude of front runner.

When I met Geoffrey, I was impressed by his behavior. He always enjoys running, fatigue is for him a stimulus for trying to increase again the speed.

Immediately I told Patrick that the guy had “specific mental attitude” for marathon, and this fact was confirmed when we stayed together some day in Portland and Eugene.

On 3rd June 2011, I was in Eugene with Moses Mosop for the WR of 30 km on track, and in the same day there was one of the best 10000m of the last 5 years. I had with me also Geoffrey, since I collaborate with the management, where I have some athlete (a part Moses, this year moving to Zane Branson, are with Global Abel Kirui and Florence Kiplagat, among the best athletes of marathon I coach).

Geoffrey ran a very good time (27’06”35) in the race won by Mo Farah with the new European Record, also if 20” far from the winner.

Geoffrey was signed for running in New York (5000m) 8 days later.

So, 4 days after 10000m, we went to the track in Eugene, and I told him to run 10 times 600m in 1’33” with 1’30” of recovery, plus 5 times 300m in 42” with longer recovery (about 3’), because I wanted to check his speed.

Geoffrey went together with some other Kenyan working with Ricky Simms (Mark Kiptoo, Mike Kigen and Moses Masai), but after 5 times all the other runners quitted training. Remaining alone, Geoffrey started to cut the recovery, starting every time inside 1’ after finishing the previous test.

When he started his 300m, he didn’t run very fast (his first test was 44”). I told him to run a little bit faster, without looking at the recovery, since this part of training was dedicated to a session of speed. After speaking with him, I started to speak with Lineth Masai, giving my shoulders to the start of 300m (I thought there was time before the start of Geoffrey), but about 1’ later, Geoffrey arrived again on the finish line. So, I didn’t say anything, and I started to look at he was doing : his recovery was 100m running easy, but lasting no longer than 30”, and all the other 300m were between 42” and 43”.

After this training, I told Geoffrey “in NY you run 13’12””, and he ran… 13’12”23 !

After going back Kenya, I spoke with Patrick Sang about this attitude, telling him “the guy can become the next WR holder of HM and of Marathon, if there is patience to build his specific marathon endurance”.

And Patrick started to work in this direction.

Till now, Geoffrey never was really good in the full marathon, since his PB is still in his first attempt. However, I don’t have any doubt he can become an athlete able running under 2:03 in 3 years time.

The problem, in my opinion, is that Geoffrey is very powerful in his muscles, and the consumption of fuel, at marathon speed, is a little bit higher than in runners very light, such as Emmanuel Mutai. For that reason, I think he has to do something different in order to develop in the best way his specific marathon endurance. But, with the help of Patrick and of Eliud Kipchoge (now not only one of the top marathon runners in the World, but also technical assistant of Patrick, and in my opinion future great coach), I think that his explosion as marathon runner is only matter of time.

In Copenhagen, his last 10 km were unbelievable. The split at 10 k was 28'41", and still for 2 km the pace was the same (2'50" / 2'51" per km). This means a time of 3'08" for 1097m, so his split with 10 km to go was (estimated) 31'49". This means last 10 km in 27'18", with last km in about 2'40".

Geoffrey is, of sure, the best candidate for running HM under 58'20", with good pacers in the first part of the race.

I don't see anything strange in running a strong half 5 weeks after a Marathon. Moses Mosop destroyed the WR of 30 km on track, with a performance of the same level of a Marathon under 2:04, 43 days after running in Boston 2:03:06.

Recovery after a Marathon, if you are able running fast, is not very long (looking at the body). It's long mentally, if you don't have any other goal in short time.

Instead, recovery is very long when you run a Marathon at your max intensity, but the speed is not fast (for example, due to the weather conditions). When top runners win a Marathon with a high time, because of hot and humid weather, they use as fuel part of the fatty acids of the cell membranes, so become "self cannibals".

After these kind of Marathon, athletes need to rest long time for reparing the damages in their body.

..... and I would add that after watch sunday copenhagen half the first thing that I noticed is the way Kamworor has lose some muscolar mass in his legs compared to the past , now he looks like Kipchoge, I m sure is about 2kilos less than in the past and this can be the key point of his fantastic shape and especially from now (less weight/more economical) he can be in the same league of Eliud Kipchoge

or even better, considering is young age, talking about the marathon.

All the great training in Kaptagat in the last years with the best marathon group in the world is now giving fruits for Kamworor to become the best marathoner in the world

Bluesky wrote:

..... and I would add that after watch sunday copenhagen half the first thing that I noticed is the way Kamworor has lose some muscolar mass in his legs compared to the past , now he looks like Kipchoge, I m sure is about 2kilos less than in the past and this can be the key point of his fantastic shape and especially from now (less weight/more economical) he can be in the same league of Eliud Kipchoge

or even better, considering is young age, talking about the marathon.

All the great training in Kaptagat in the last years with the best marathon group in the world is now giving fruits for Kamworor to become the best marathoner in the world

You forgot to mention EPO, which is a national dish in Kenya.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bluesky wrote:

..... and I would add that after watch sunday copenhagen half the first thing that I noticed is the way Kamworor has lose some muscolar mass in his legs compared to the past , now he looks like Kipchoge, I m sure is about 2kilos less than in the past and this can be the key point of his fantastic shape and especially from now (less weight/more economical) he can be in the same league of Eliud Kipchoge

or even better, considering is young age, talking about the marathon.

All the great training in Kaptagat in the last years with the best marathon group in the world is now giving fruits for Kamworor to become the best marathoner in the world

You forgot to mention EPO, which is a national dish in Kenya.

At least you never forget to make your baseless accusations.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bluesky wrote:

..... and I would add that after watch sunday copenhagen half the first thing that I noticed is the way Kamworor has lose some muscolar mass in his legs compared to the past , now he looks like Kipchoge, I m sure is about 2kilos less than in the past and this can be the key point of his fantastic shape and especially from now (less weight/more economical) he can be in the same league of Eliud Kipchoge

or even better, considering is young age, talking about the marathon.

All the great training in Kaptagat in the last years with the best marathon group in the world is now giving fruits for Kamworor to become the best marathoner in the world

You forgot to mention EPO, which is a national dish in Kenya.

With a side dish of Nandrolone

Hgghu wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You forgot to mention EPO, which is a national dish in Kenya.

At least you never forget to make your baseless accusations.

LoneStarXC wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You forgot to mention EPO, which is a national dish in Kenya.

With a side dish of Nandrolone

...or in Wangari's case - testosterone.

Cute story. But what does this have to do with Geoffrey Kamworor?

LoneStarXC wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You forgot to mention EPO, which is a national dish in Kenya.

With a side dish of Nandrolone

Oh wow! So witty! I am sure Subway will love your reply :)

His name is Geoffrey Kipsang Kamworor.