KAMWOROR 57.59 WR

Are you an ESOL student? That’s English As a Second Language.

I'm no rocket scientist but do people actually think a stationary plate is acting a literal spring?

if you think he did this clean you have your head in the sand.

Hahahaha wrote:

I'm no rocket scientist but do people actually think a stationary plate is acting a literal spring?

It's not stationary when running

Another nail in the coffin for the sport.

He's no Jornet or Walmsley.

That's just like Kamwo... gets you all excited, SUB-58!!! then oops, nvm, 58:01. Always lets you down in the end.

Big Red wrote:

It will be interesting to see what form Kamworor brings to the New York City Marathon this fall.

You figure he'll take a break and dig back into training. Of course he must stay healthy, but certainly, he's the favorite. Given today's performance, I'll just say I wish NYC had a faster course!

As usual, there is the speculative talk about doping after any good performance. We just don't know who is clean and who isn't. It is where the sport is at.

A lot of dopers get caught. A lot of dopers don't get caught. I'll give Kamworor the benefit of the doubt today, and enjoy the moment.

I am not naive, I'm just saying on a case by case basis, we have only the individual athlete's record of testing. Which clearly is foggy, as it can be gamed.

Yup, I said "clearly is foggy".

People were saying that exact same thing when Kiptum set the WR last year (of course when Kiptum got busted this year the same people were then saying that they really knew he wasn't clean from the beginning. Lol).

You realize Kenya is on the IAAF's "most at risk of doping" watch list? Let's keep on watching these crazy Kenyan performances. ?

Don’t think he is the fave for NY, still a 2:06 man. Third there last year.

And do you understand the difference between one athlete who was not in the WADA whereabouts till his WR (so didn't have enough OOC tests for being controlled), and an athlete as Geoffrey who is in the whereabouts from 2012, and had about 40 tests OOC, showing very little fluctuations in any condition (in shape or out of shape) during the last 7 years ?

But of course all people without any specific knowledge have a big mouth for shoting bullshits !

D.Katz wrote:

I measured the course with another IAAF Measurer - Maurice Winterman back in August. Our measurements were within 0.30 m of each other.

Maurice was also at the race on a bicycle to validate that the course that was measured was the course that was run. I couldn't be there because I was attending the Japanese Olympic Trials Marathon which was also the test event for the Olympics.

and we should believe you

Renato Canova wrote:

And do you understand the difference between one athlete who was not in the WADA whereabouts till his WR (so didn't have enough OOC tests for being controlled), and an athlete as Geoffrey who is in the whereabouts from 2012, and had about 40 tests OOC, showing very little fluctuations in any condition (in shape or out of shape) during the last 7 years ?

But of course all people without any specific knowledge have a big mouth for shoting bullshits !

And in Kenya the clean athletes are always faster than the dopers.

I love Kamworor. The fact the man will race you on the track, cross country, or the roads makes him truly great unlike all these "specialists." He's always been flexible like that too. Call me crazy but I believe he is clean.

Renato Canova wrote:

And do you understand the difference between one athlete who was not in the WADA whereabouts till his WR (so didn't have enough OOC tests for being controlled), and an athlete as Geoffrey who is in the whereabouts from 2012, and had about 40 tests OOC, showing very little fluctuations in any condition (in shape or out of shape) during the last 7 years ?

But of course all people without any specific knowledge have a big mouth for shoting bullshits !

Renato, are you and Sondre satisfied with his performance?.. Given the wind its seems quite good. (And yes the WR was broken, but the wind was quite horrible at some points).

Renato Canova wrote:

And do you understand the difference between one athlete who was not in the WADA whereabouts till his WR (so didn't have enough OOC tests for being controlled), and an athlete as Geoffrey who is in the whereabouts from 2012, and had about 40 tests OOC, showing very little fluctuations in any condition (in shape or out of shape) during the last 7 years ?

Are you talking about Kitpum? How then did Kitpum blow his ABP (so bad mind you that he would actually be charged with an anomalies case) if he wasn't in the WADA testing pool? To have the required amount of OOC blood tests for the ABP an athlete has to be in the testing pool which includes the whereabouts system.

Secondly, have you seen all the Kenyans provisionally suspended on the AIU list? (some top performers).

Thirdly, have you forgotten that Kenya is on the IAAF's infamous "most at risk of doping" watch list? (along with Ethiopia, Ukraine & Belarus). And what's funny about that is if a Ukrainian or Belarusian athlete were to perform exceptionally well (e.g, set a record, win a major medal, etc.), no one would have a problem suspecting the performance to be doped. Both countries have a strong history of doping, a significant number of doping positives/ABP violations on their record and are both on the IAAF's watch list. But Kenya has also had a strong history of doping, a significant number of doping positives (and 3 recent ABP suspensions), and are on the IAAF's watch list as well.

So, why the double standards here? We can be suspicious of any Ukrainian or Belarusian performance but not of any Kenyan performance? ?

Anonymous Internet User wrote:

D.Katz wrote:

I measured the course with another IAAF Measurer - Maurice Winterman back in August. Our measurements were within 0.30 m of each other.

Maurice was also at the race on a bicycle to validate that the course that was measured was the course that was run. I couldn't be there because I was attending the Japanese Olympic Trials Marathon which was also the test event for the Olympics.

and we should believe you

No you should assume the course is short and it's all a conspiracy by the IAAF (who verify course lengths after road WRs) because that makes more sense.

In fact, the IAAF is going to continue shortening courses little by little to ensure we continue getting WRs and one day a half marathon will be 100m but nobody will notice.

ex-runner wrote:

In fact, the IAAF is going to continue shortening courses little by little to ensure we continue getting WRs

Many a true word is spoken in jest.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

D.Katz...

... is dang near confirmed to be legit

If the IAAF is really allowing courses to be measured by bicycle, then they are all short, gar-on-teed. Nobody rides a perfect straight line, it's impossible. There's squiggly weave the whole way, and it adds up.

So they calibrate it with tape over 400m, and maybe they weave on that 400 too, but I bet they weave less during the calibration than they do over the long-ass 21 or 42 kilometer ride when their concentration is bound to slack. Upshot is that bike is gonna hit 21 well before the straight line 21 happens, whether they hit the tangents right or not.