TUOHY ANY COMPETITION THIS XC SEASON

Hounddogharrier wrote:

No one will beat Touhy this year !!! No one ! Kid is all about team . Look at the results of Red Raiders. She pulled her 2 and 3 runners to 2nd and 3rd in the invite and they won the team title by one . When she needs to unleash the stallions she will. Unbeaten and untied , all year - you heard it from the hounddog first .

Wow, you're really going out on a long limb there. Hounddog=uninformed weirdo fanman.

Indoor? wrote:

Ewert did get beat by Zofia Dudek yesterday at the MSU Spartan Invite, 17:08 for Dudek who also ran 4:41 to win the Brooks PR Mile last spring. Dudek is a beast as sounds like conditions were tough there yesterday.

Conditions were tough there? No, they were absolutely solid for mid September in Michigan. Tough? Last year was tough and the year before was even tougher, not this year.

Z. Dudeker wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Ewert did get beat by Zofia Dudek yesterday at the MSU Spartan Invite, 17:08 for Dudek who also ran 4:41 to win the Brooks PR Mile last spring. Dudek is a beast as sounds like conditions were tough there yesterday.

Conditions were tough there? No, they were absolutely solid for mid September in Michigan. Tough? Last year was tough and the year before was even tougher, not this year.

Things weren't the worst during the elite races I'll give you that but the tail end of that race and for the rest of the races it was insanely hot and humid.

......an interview with a well-known H.S. girl (I'll leave her name out) after she won a XC race yesterday. Interviewer asked her how she pushes herself in training. Her answer: "I run with the boy's team."

Indoor? wrote:

Ewert did get beat by Zofia Dudek yesterday at the MSU Spartan Invite, 17:08 for Dudek who also ran 4:41 to win the Brooks PR Mile last spring. Dudek is a beast as sounds like conditions were tough there yesterday.

Milesplit is reporting that Brynn Brown ran a 16:12 5K in TX today? Anyone know about that?

fastTuohy wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Ewert did get beat by Zofia Dudek yesterday at the MSU Spartan Invite, 17:08 for Dudek who also ran 4:41 to win the Brooks PR Mile last spring. Dudek is a beast as sounds like conditions were tough there yesterday.

Milesplit is reporting that Brynn Brown ran a 16:12 5K in TX today? Anyone know about that?

Yes, Brown ran that today.

Flat, fast course. Race started at 7:00 am. No wind. Certainly running hard from the gun.

To answer the course distance question:

It was 5K—or very close to it. Several coaches wheeled it and kept hitting 499x or 500x on their wheels.

I was skeptical of the distance as my kids all ran REALLY well. Then, I realized they just ran what their training as of late would put them. Plus, it’s our 3rd race and they’re figuring out how to race better.

22harrier wrote:

Hounddogharrier wrote:

No one will beat Touhy this year !!! No one ! Kid is all about team . Look at the results of Red Raiders. She pulled her 2 and 3 runners to 2nd and 3rd in the invite and they won the team title by one . When she needs to unleash the stallions she will. Unbeaten and untied , all year - you heard it from the hounddog first .

Wow, you're really going out on a long limb there. Hounddog=uninformed weirdo fanman.

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Hounddog could make far more wild predictions than he has and he still wouldn’t be “going out on a limb”. She will not lose.

WyoKid wrote:

fastTuohy wrote:

Milesplit is reporting that Brynn Brown ran a 16:12 5K in TX today? Anyone know about that?

Yes, Brown ran that today.

Flat, fast course. Race started at 7:00 am. No wind. Certainly running hard from the gun.

To answer the course distance question:

It was 5K—or very close to it. Several coaches wheeled it and kept hitting 499x or 500x on their wheels.

I was skeptical of the distance as my kids all ran REALLY well. Then, I realized they just ran what their training as of late would put them. Plus, it’s our 3rd race and they’re figuring out how to race better.

Which coaches? Had it at least 200m short give or take....

who now? wrote:

WyoKid wrote:

Yes, Brown ran that today.

Flat, fast course. Race started at 7:00 am. No wind. Certainly running hard from the gun.

To answer the course distance question:

It was 5K—or very close to it. Several coaches wheeled it and kept hitting 499x or 500x on their wheels.

I was skeptical of the distance as my kids all ran REALLY well. Then, I realized they just ran what their training as of late would put them. Plus, it’s our 3rd race and they’re figuring out how to race better.

Which coaches? Had it at least 200m short give or take....

this is why speed ratings are great. they may not be perfect, but they are really good. would give you an honest, standardized answer of what the kids are, whether the course is 2.8 miles or 3.2

how many coaches bring a wheel to a cross country meet? I think i have seen 1 or 2 in all my years of coaching.

most coaches rely on a watch, if anything. they are typically accurate within a couple hundreths, and not ridiculously cumbersome and SLOW

Speed ratings for the win wrote:

who now? wrote:

Which coaches? Had it at least 200m short give or take....

this is why speed ratings are great. they may not be perfect, but they are really good. would give you an honest, standardized answer of what the kids are, whether the course is 2.8 miles or 3.2

Something is off - the course had to have run extremely fast for whatever reason as the SR for Brynn Brown is shown as "only" 157. Not that 157 is a bad speed rating, probably #1 in the country this year. But not the 170+ number Tuohy ran the last several years. The boys winner was 14:40 and that only got him a 188 SR.

fastTuohy wrote:

Speed ratings for the win wrote:

this is why speed ratings are great. they may not be perfect, but they are really good. would give you an honest, standardized answer of what the kids are, whether the course is 2.8 miles or 3.2

Something is off - the course had to have run extremely fast for whatever reason as the SR for Brynn Brown is shown as "only" 157. Not that 157 is a bad speed rating, probably #1 in the country this year. But not the 170+ number Tuohy ran the last several years. The boys winner was 14:40 and that only got him a 188 SR.

You need to use the conversion factor: for every 1000 miles away from New York a race takes place one must subtract 2 points. The exception is for NXN & FLN where all competitors are given an additional 7 points. Make more sense now?

Crowd Sorcerer wrote:

You need to use the conversion factor: for every 1000 miles away from New York a race takes place one must subtract 2 points. The exception is for NXN & FLN where all competitors are given an additional 7 points. Make more sense now?

No. You are saying this should have been a 160 speed rating, because you seem to imply a bias in the speed ratings. Whatever. It is still a long way from 170+. "A difference which makes no difference is no difference".

fastTuohy wrote:

Speed ratings for the win wrote:

this is why speed ratings are great. they may not be perfect, but they are really good. would give you an honest, standardized answer of what the kids are, whether the course is 2.8 miles or 3.2

Something is off - the course had to have run extremely fast for whatever reason as the SR for Brynn Brown is shown as "only" 157. Not that 157 is a bad speed rating, probably #1 in the country this year. But not the 170+ number Tuohy ran the last several years. The boys winner was 14:40 and that only got him a 188 SR.

200 meters short sounds about right....

200 meters short AND flat, hard, fast....

fastTuohy wrote:

. . . This year it looks like she has only one significant race on her schedule until the State Championship in mid November. Her team is scheduled to run the Manhattan Invitational on October 12.

But, no offense to anyone else, noone has run a time with a SR yet above 155, which implies a time 45 seconds slower than what in the past was a typical fast time for Tuohy (SR 170). Of course it is barely the first week of the season.

I see Great American on their schedule on 10/5. Is that not right? What's the speed rating on sub-16 in Cary?

Track is year round wrote:

Tuohy is aiming for the 2020 Olympic trials 5000m. High school cross country is hardly a priority right now.

Who is this guy anyway wrote:

Precisely why she should be looking to bring her 800/1500 times down further and stop focusing on maximizing her aerobic fitness in the 3000-5000.

Because the best way to train for 5000m ...... is to train for 800 meters and 1500?

Be sure to notify the Ethiopian world record holders of your expertise, as I'm sure they'd be delighted to hear this.

fastTuohy wrote:

Something is off - the course had to have run extremely fast for whatever reason as the SR for Brynn Brown is shown as "only" 157. Not that 157 is a bad speed rating, probably #1 in the country this year. But not the 170+ number Tuohy ran the last several years. The boys winner was 14:40 and that only got him a 188 SR.

Her splits seem to fit reasonably well:

1m: 4:54

2m: 10:26

5K: 16:12

Her time last year on this course was 16:41.

Last year she ran both NXN and FLN and like the other top sophs who tried the double (Grace Ping, Heidi Nielson) she slowed down after the regionals. In her post race interview she says she is only running NXN this year.

Tullyrunners has her ranked #12 in their pre-season review:

who brings a wheel? wrote:

how many coaches bring a wheel to a cross country meet? I think i have seen 1 or 2 in all my years of coaching.

most coaches rely on a watch, if anything. they are typically accurate within a couple hundreths, and not ridiculously cumbersome and SLOW

I've coached for 10 years, we take a wheel around 60% of the time(based on if we remember it) and usually there are 4-5 other coaches each meet with a wheel.