TUOHY ANY COMPETITION THIS XC SEASON

How did that happen? Were fans blocking the course? (I saw such a debacle at a evening meet at Naperville North about 4 years ago in the boysJV race, grandmas in lawn chairs blocking across the line.) Has the course changed this year? Would have been a phenomenal time without any problems!

This must have been her 4th HRD @ KLMP, plus any conference / dual meets there over the years.

Anyway I agree with you that Katelynn Hart is in the same class with Tuohy and others mentioned.

who is this guy anyway wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

The video isn't out yet. Only the VLOG version for it which contains a small look at it but is not the full "Workout Wednesday" video. We need to wait for the full video, with all splits and seeing how relaxed she is at different speeds before drawing any conclusions.

Anything other than her dominating this season would be a huge upset/surprise btw, but doubt it will happen she has been too consistent.

Count me as someone who would not be surprised if she doesn't dominate the competition like she did the past two seasons at the national level in XC.

Her outdoor 1500 times:

8th grade: 4:24.36

9th grade: 4:18.51

10th grade: 4:14.45

11th grade: 4:25.21

She was exceptionally lean at NXN her sophomore year. It's unlikely she'll ever be that lean again.

I think you are being a little selective with your choice of 1500 times - I dont think she tried to run a fast 1500 time in 2019. She did run the 4:36 1600 m leg at Penn Relays, which of course still lags her 10th grade time. But her 11th grade XC times were faster than 10th grade, as was her indoor 3,000 m time.

Hopefully this will not become a discussion of weight, but in any case this Milesplit video shows her as of late August.

I would say in all likelihood at least some of her competitors will be somewhat closer to her this year - for one thing Hart had a bad day at NXN last year finishing almost 1 minute behind Tuohy. Ewert was closest except for Chmiel who now has graduated, and she was about 30 seconds behind. I would think between Masciarelli, Hart and Starliper, and perhaps someone else, someone will close last years gap some.

But I guess we will know for sure in 3 months.

It's really not accurate just to look at her 1500m progression

After all she had her best cross-country season last year as a junior.

She also had her best winter track season as a junior running a personal-best 901 High School record 3000m

So basically her fastest running was done or junior year fall and winter

Yeah she didn't have the same numbers for spring track but she was also doing a lot of academic so

Anyway my guess is that she's going to have a strong senior year. And so far no one else has been able to show that they can run at the same speed for 5K distances

County Line Roadkill wrote:

How did that happen? Were fans blocking the course? (I saw such a debacle at a evening meet at Naperville North about 4 years ago in the boysJV race, grandmas in lawn chairs blocking across the line.) Has the course changed this year? Would have been a phenomenal time without any problems!

This must have been her 4th HRD @ KLMP, plus any conference / dual meets there over the years.

Anyway I agree with you that Katelynn Hart is in the same class with Tuohy and others mentioned.

She said that she simply missed the turn:

LOL, I just saw your screen name... That's not too far from Route 83 and 75th.... and KLP.

Touhy was the one who dropped out of that head to head with Masciarelli at Outdoor Nationals last spring.

arunnery660 wrote:

Touhy was the one who dropped out of that head to head with Masciarelli at Outdoor Nationals last spring.

Here's a new article on MileSplit that discusses a Tuohy/Masciarelli match-up this year:

(Conclusion: it's not likely!)

Note: the article includes a video of Masciarelli running with her brother and other boys. I wanted to warn those of who are adamantly opposed to girls training with boys, even though the best girls routinely do. (I've seen videos, for example, of Heidi Neilson, the Pings, Brooke Rauber, and others running with boys, because, well, it's hard for them to fund girls to run with who can keep up with them.)

who is this guy anyway wrote:

Her outdoor 1500 times:

8th grade: 4:24.36

9th grade: 4:18.51

10th grade: 4:14.45

11th grade: 4:25.21

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Tuohy had a 4:19.72 indoor 1500 PR at the Millrose Trials.

And that is a split from her 4:39.15 mile which was also an indoor PR.

Her indoor 1500 times:

2015 - 4:36.57

2016 - 4:32.33

2017 - 4:25.86

2018 - 4:23.38

2019 - 4:19.72

...that video workout Wednesday is from the spring, so nothing new. And really are ANY people opposed to girls and boys training together, if they can run the same paces?

My prediction, new XC and track bests for Tuohy this school year. Still number 1. Everyone else is too far behind, and we will see that from their track times. Not all runners can show up for every race that calls itself a 'championship'. The real championship is whichever one the top runner races.

donairs wrote:

My prediction, new XC and track bests for Tuohy this school year. Still number 1. Everyone else is too far behind, and we will see that from their track times.

If she does set new PBs in track I will be surprised and very happy for her.

The following are when she set her PBs

9th grade - 600, 1000

10th - 800, 1500, mile, 3200, 5000

11th grade - 3000, 2 mile

Her 3000, 3200, 2 mile and 5000 bests are all about equivalent.

donairs wrote:

And really are ANY people opposed to girls and boys training together, if they can run the same paces?

I've seen posters here adamant that girls should never train with boys (under any circumstances).............

Tuohy is aiming for the 2020 Olympic trials 5000m. High school cross country is hardly a priority right now.

donairs wrote:

...that video workout Wednesday is from the spring, so nothing new. And really are ANY people opposed to girls and boys training together, if they can run the same paces?

Mostly it's the girls themselves. Yes, it sounds ridiculous but they would rather run 8:30/mi with their team and strengthen team spirit when they could run 7:00/mi with the boys which would be their optimal easy pace. They just don't wanna be the one girl that always trains with the boys because she is "too good" to train with her teammates while they have fun and gossip during their easy runs.

Also, it shouldn't be surprising that they would rather run with their teammates and have fun than with some teenage boys going through puberty.

Lastly, girls are very social human beings. They also rather be a team leader for their team, than one who runs with the boys because the other girls are slower.

Great article on Sydney. And yes bond between twins is something that cant be replicated among HS training partners. I Wish both Touhy and Masciarelli the best. I think they both are simply the tops the sport has right now at the HS/prep school level.

Track is year round wrote:

Tuohy is aiming for the 2020 Olympic trials 5000m. High school cross country is hardly a priority right now.

Precisely why she should be looking to bring her 800/1500 times down further and stop focusing on maximizing her aerobic fitness in the 3000-5000.

Who is this guy anyway wrote:

Track is year round wrote:

Tuohy is aiming for the 2020 Olympic trials 5000m. High school cross country is hardly a priority right now.

Precisely why she should be looking to bring her 800/1500 times down further and stop focusing on maximizing her aerobic fitness in the 3000-5000.

Yeah, because speed is the limiting factor in a event that is 90% aerobic.

????? wrote:

Who is this guy anyway wrote:

Precisely why she should be looking to bring her 800/1500 times down further and stop focusing on maximizing her aerobic fitness in the 3000-5000.

Yeah, because speed is the limiting factor in a event that is 90% aerobic.

In 2016 it took a 15:25 to qualify for the trials. It’s possible she has the speed to hit that, but it’s also quite possible she doesn’t. She’s on the bubble.

ps Hart did race Touhy at NXN.She came in 14 th place. 2018.

Is the better team leader a girl who can chit-chat & gossip about the latest fashion trend, or teen heartthrob, or YouTube video----or a girl who can motivate her teammates to reach toward their individual potentials to run faster, by developing herself as a runner to run faster?

Hounddogharrier wrote:

arunnery660 wrote:

Her competition will be Sydney Masciarelli alone....

Tuohy wears the crown . If Masciarelli or Hart wants to be the queen they have to get up the nerve and race her.

If she really wants the crown then come to Balboa Park and see how close she gets to the record. Or just win at Least lol