How has Maree's Fifth Avenue Mile record lasted for 38 years?

tarckstar wrote:

The first year of the Fifth Avenue Mile was 1981. Maree's record was faster than the legit mile world record at the time.

There was great interest in that first race, sure, but a record is a record.

Wrong. Coe's 3:47.33 was faster than Maree's 3:47.52 winning time.

[quote]Coevett wrote:

When a former great is convicted of serious fraud, anyone of sound mind should look at his athletics career with scepticism, especially when red flags are present in their progression.

What does one have to do with the other?

In point of fact, when a black celebrity it convicted of anything, one ought to be very suspicious.

Contrast with all the powerful "white" men outed in the Me Too movement. Hundreds of credible accusations of decades of sexual assaults by dozens of men and not one in jail.

Yet they put Cosby on trial twice in order to get him.

If anyone drugged in Maree's era among middle distance runners, it was Seb "toxoplosis" Coe.

How do you explain Coe running 3:29.77 just 22 days shy of his 30th birthday? Your sweetheart was a druggy huh..?

In point of fact wrote:

[quote]Coevett wrote:

When a former great is convicted of serious fraud, anyone of sound mind should look at his athletics career with scepticism, especially when red flags are present in their progression.

What does one have to do with the other?

In point of fact, when a black celebrity it convicted of anything, one ought to be very suspicious.

Contrast with all the powerful "white" men outed in the Me Too movement. Hundreds of credible accusations of decades of sexual assaults by dozens of men and not one in jail.

Yet they put Cosby on trial twice in order to get him.

If anyone drugged in Maree's era among middle distance runners, it was Seb "toxoplosis" Coe.

Kra kra crazy.

You go from denying any link between cheating for financial gain after retirement and cheating for financial gain before retirement, to #MeToo (which is mostly feminazi witchhunting bull) apparently proving that Seb Coe dopes.

It's not even as if Keino and Maree's fraud was unrelated to athletics - they both cheated the sport of athletics and other athletes for their own financial gain. You can't see any link there, but you can make a link between Harvey Weinstein and Sebastian Coe???

BTW, Bing Crosby was already suspected of drugging and raping dozens of (mainly white) women. Most of the MeToo accusations only surfaced (at least publicly) during this Twitchhunt hysteria - so the cases are still ongoing. At least a dozen white men have committed suicide after #MeToo accusations.

Oh - and you're defending a convicted serial rapist simply because he's black and condemning as guilty 'white' men who have been accused and still to stand trial.

Hi Ciro/VivaLaRepublica. How is life in your exclusive white only middle-class American suburb? Do you have Michael Moore as a neighbour?

Bing? Say it ain’t so.

Coevett wrote:

It's not even as if Keino and Maree's fraud was unrelated to athletics - they both cheated the sport of athletics and other athletes for their own financial gain.

Maree's post athletic fraud had nothing to do with athletics nor corruption, so not the same as the Keino accusation

Coevett wrote:

Maree 's pb was 3:38 until he ran 3:32 a few day after his 25th birthday.

No, his PB was 3:35.02. And he has run 13:20.63 already in 1979.

Coevett, do you have brain damage or something? You're a one-trick pony, for sure, and this has run its course, don't you think?

Coevett wrote:

When a former great is convicted of cheating on his wife, anyone of sound mind should look at his athletics career with scepticism, especially when red flags are present in their progression.

FTFY

Coevett wrote:

Maree 's pb was 3:38 until he ran 3:32 a few day after his 25th birthday.

Color me shocked that a poster with no credibility would lie some more.

His PR was 3:34.6 before he ran his 3:32. You aren't even close.

I was thinking this over, and realized that this 1981 event is very similar to what we see with Kipchoge these days.

A person, or field, who GOES for it.

That's why Kejelcha towing Barega around a year ago was so cool, and why Amos going out like crazy the other day had us holding our breath. And why today, Hassan is the most exciting person out there. Is it happening again? Because all to often - ALL THE TIME, IN FACT - the races just go off slow, slow as crap. The only good part about a slow-ass 1500 in the Olympics is that we won't see another that slow for a long time.

Brojos, forget the sub-8 steeple event. Throw a bonus out for next year's 5th Avenue Mile, money if someone beats Maree's record. Ownership of this site if they beat Hicham.

You and doot doot should meet up to talk about your pace-pushing fantasies.

Has anyone commented on the guys holding the finishing tape almost costing Willis the race? That was too narrow a tape for that many guys sprinting in for a lean at the line. Looked like Willis had to cut in slightly at the last second to make sure he could squeeze in and actually break the tape. Had he just kept running straight he probably would have collided with the dude holding the tape.

Not to mention the guys holding the tape were looking the wrong fucking direction, probably to pose for a stupid picture. If they had been looking forward maybe they would have realized this and moved a few inches to the left (our left as viewers; Willis' right).

Most competitive field perhaps wrote:

Star wrote:

He couldn’t run in the 80 Olympics. No World Chanpionship that year.

South Africans in general were banned from competing ironically because how they treated black people.

He did have the 1500 world record at one point.

He was fast, fit and motivated.

You don’t get athletes of that caliber in that event.

Though, Nick Willis does have a similar PR to Maree.

Have you looked at the past winners list? Plenty of folks of similar caliber.

Steve Scott won it in a year where he got a Silver medal in the World Championships and in an Olympic year. I think he was peaking for those more the the Fifth Ave Mile.

John Walker past his prime.

Alan Webb at the end of his best year and a championship year

Nick Willis a bunch of wins but focusing on bigger races.

The main reason the record has lasted so long is that it started with a great athlete in a non championship year and people haven't taken it is seriously since.

Yes, but I'm not sure there's any T&F record that's older than 1981 at this point.

I'll give most everyone from the 1980s a break, since we were all cheating on slow courses anyway, and nobody in the early-90s ran enough mileage to do anything, but it's ridiculous nobody currently fast goes out there in Cheaterflys and runs faster than a bunch of retirees did, before Salazar even set his first world record.

Nick Willis is probably the clean Fifth Avenue Mile record holder.

In general the road mile is not rabbitted so nobody is going after fast times in general. If they payed a rabbit to set a certain pace through 800m then possible you would see a time under 3:50. But that 3:47 Maree ran then was ahead of its time!

Crooning While Relaxed wrote:

Bing? Say it ain’t so.

Thats the first I heard of this. Bob Hope, yeah sure, but not der Bingle.

Paging Sam Parsons.