On more ghought: track should adopt a cycling rule and issuea relegation instead of a DQ. Basically, the guy who did the offence can keep his time and is not officially out of the race, but he gets relegated to last place in the race. Time stands, but money prize money/medal is not awarded.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
I think it was really borderline. Like Rojo, I thought it was a DQ watching live, but after studying the replay, I'm not sure if it is worthy of a DQ. Wale was drifting out into lane 3, where El Bakkali was running. He didn't blatantly impede him, but El Bakkali was forced to throw his arm out to prevent Wale from drifting in further and Wale did end up finishing in lane 3. I'd say no DQ but if they DQ'd him, I wouldn't complain.
Are you bringing this up because Wale won? Paul Chelimo does that all the time except that he didn’t win, check Shanghai 5000m in 2018 and this year at USAs to Lopez Lomong. I don’t think this would be brought up if Wale ended up 2nd.
Maybe instead of a full DQ, they should assess a 5 yard penalty in those situations.
DQ for sure - no question!
Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:
What do I think? I think runners in general are getting way too soft if they think that's a DQ. Not to mention y'all need to watch it again in slow motion if you think Wale would be the one to be DQ'd.
El Baakali drifted into the inside of lane 3 after the last hurdle so he would be clear of the eventual third place finisher. At that point there was a lot of room between him and Wale. Wale meanwhile was at his absolute limit and when he looked over at El Baakali it pulled his body that way, which is a normal thing to happen as we tend to move in the direction we look. That pulled Wale right up alongside El Baakali who was still on the inside of lane 3 but then Wale pulls ahead slightly and El Baakali tries to move into the outside of lane 2 where Wale is, not vice-versa. It was stupid move on El Baakali's part because they both had an unimpeded straight line to the finish and it would have done him no good to move into the outside of lane 2 at that point even if Wale wasn't already occupying that space.
This poster explained it perfectly.
Yes. DQ. Rules were broken. It just gets worse if you don't enforce the rules. Its much more of a serious infraction than inadvertently stepping on the line. Someone shouldn't be able to ride you out to the outside lanes to win.
This what we call "The Chelimo" in the States. Should be a DQ but just make it look like you are going all out and losing directional control at the end of a race.
As a former steepler internationally, this is a textbook disqualification.
100% DQ......if you move out to lane 3 on the straightaway to try and win and you stay out there and someone else moves out and bumps you......its a DQ
Wale is Imane Merga's brother.
As an official, El B made the first contact and should be DQ'd. He's the one who initiated contact. Wale did not impede.
REAL. wrote:
As an official, El B made the first contact and should be DQ'd. He's the one who initiated contact. Wale did not impede.
What BS official are you? It's clear El B tried his best to go around the runner(by going wide), and Wale ran into his direction to prevent El B from passing.
What BS official are you? wrote:
REAL. wrote:
As an official, El B made the first contact and should be DQ'd. He's the one who initiated contact. Wale did not impede.
What BS official are you? It's clear El B tried his best to go around the runner(by going wide), and Wale ran into his direction to prevent El B from passing.
Watch it again in slow motion. El B went to the inside of lane 3 to avoid 3rd place right after the last barrier. Wale moved to the middle of lane 2. Zero contact at that point. Then El B got frustrated because he was going to lose so he tried moving into the outside of lane 2 into the back of Wale. Under no circumstances does Wale get DQd here. Zero. None. The only one you potentially DQ is El B, but he didn't prevent Wale from winning so you let the results stand.
Babydick Johnson wrote:
Def DQ
He was impeding El B. And he knew it. He was looking around w 300 to go to cut off anyone, and cut off El B heading into the water jump.
it's a Gentle DQ for me. Wale clearly cut him off comming home and he did it to win.
I thought DQ.
despite the obviousness of the infraction, is it not too late for a DQ? Or is that only for ones that proceed from a protest? And did El B protest? He would have been crazy not to.
Not all drifting during a final kick is intentional - and when it's not intentional it's not cheating - just something everyone else on the home stretch any given race better come prepared to deal with. Drifting is not forbidden during the other parts of the race, so why must track running constantly embarrass itself by constructing these post-race cry foul situations?
Every now and when we see runners stumble on the last hurdles, and everyone watching immediately understands that the explanation "I was so tired that I no longer had full control" is true.
Runners are expected to come prepared to deal with such, with competitors ahead of them stumbling on a hurdle, or bunches of runners ahead of them tripping each other up, so as to have jump over or go around them, it's part of the sport. If you're not running up front from the start you have to accept that shite can happen. Go hard at the front, take your chances in the back, or stay home.
The same should go for drifting during a final kick. It's only cheating if it's intentional. There can be unintentional drifting during all out final efforts because of even minor sudden bursts of side wind, leg niggles, foot niggles and other forms of temporary or permanent uneven biomechanics. Everyone who's ever kicked so hard that they lost control over their running technique knows this. Hence every runner in a race needs to come prepared to deal with those situations without crying foul afterwards.
DQ
Five is the magic number wrote:
Not all drifting during a final kick is intentional - and when it's not intentional it's not cheating
The intent of the runner has zero bering on the issuing of a DQ. If I unitensionally step on a line on a cirve, Ishould be DQd. "But I didnt intend to do it!". Still a DQ. Same is true of lane bumping. I see this behavior all the time at the HS level. If more officials issued DQs to sophomores and juniors at dual HS meets this kind of crap would end.
Runners are such wimps. They should have tried to tackle each other. A DQ isn't called for; a KO is.