Official 2019 Brussels DL Discussion Thread - Bye, bye to the 5k, Ajee goes for the 800 title, and much more

I thought Konze was in shock at the start.

FFF wrote:

I thought Konze was in shock at the start.

She used to always look like a frightened deer at starts of races. She has also been looking extremely thin for at least 4 years, long before NOP was even on the horizon. (And as long ago people were predicting that she must crush and burn and quit within the next two years at most.)

The 800m suffer from a bunch of women who could be running 1:56-58 if focussing on that event preferring other distances. Muir, Hassan, Dibaba, Houlihan... might not beat Wilson all or most of the time but they would certainly give her a run for her money.

BadPostByBadWigins wrote:

Yeah, anorexic because you say so. Dimwit.

Hi, paid NOP shill #1!

Nobody believes their weight is natural. Let's hear how it's done. How do famine victims run fast?

Hassan last 3 laps: 3:09!

Hassan would not have been last place in the 800m race with her last two laps under 2:03.

Hassan is apparently (interview Dutch media) considering the 1500 - 10000 double in Doha, as she says the 1500 is het favorite distance.

zizwami wrote:

Hassan is apparently (interview Dutch media) considering the 1500 - 10000 double in Doha, as she says the 1500 is het favorite distance.

I think Hassan should stick at the 5 and 10 double. I say this for two reasons. All her main opponents in the 5 are also running the 10k so will be equally fatigued going into the heats and finals of the 10k.

Secondly you must factor in the way the 10k will be run - Nobody is mentioning Ayana as she only ran one race this year at pre where she finished last. She put her fitness at 30% for that race yet still managed to run sub 3 minute kms despite this. Subsequent to pre she has been training hard out 6 days a week twice per day.

Ayana cannot win a sit and kick race so will take it out like she did in London at about the 4K mark. Hassan, Obiri, Gidey etc will have To go with her or it’s race over. This will take so much out of the athletes who are also contending for the 5k. - Hassan will not face this level of fatigue amongst her 1500m rivals so I reckon stick with the 10 and 5 double

100% agree. JS won’t dope her either like NOP does, just ”magic” and clean magic that is!

The Ingebrigtsens may not be on that level yet but they also artificially limit themselves by staying too far back when they could very well get up to the lead or just behind Tim when he runs consecutive 57+ second laps as here. Going out in 54 made no sense only to run 1:55 for the next two laps. So, if they went out in mid 55/1:51/2:47, they'd have been in the lead by over a second and had an excellent shot at sub 3:30. As it was, they didn't close the gap prior to 1100m despite the opportunity they anticipated of the pace slowing a lot. Jakob had a lot left. And they could close the gap a lot in the 800m if they would give it a try and do more speed work. That would both give them confidence and help their kicks.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Actual 1500 pacesetter splits 53 high, 1:51 mid, 2:21. Goal splits were a fantasy.

Jakob Ingebrigtsen is a terrible racer, leaves himself too much work to do at the end. Sign of laziness/fear. Could have beat Tim more than once this year.

Hassan and especially Konztanze are straight-up anorexic. Normal human bodies in that state shut themselves down and refuse to even run a sub-20 5000. NOP chemical-metabolic manipulation must be outed.

Kenya devastated in steeple. End of an era? Wale should be DQ for blatant obstruction though. El B had him dead to rights.

Gidey is the future of 5000m...She is just edging closer and closer to taking it over. Crazy, Sifan got her first win against Dibaba last week, and got her first win against Obiri this week.

But I still Fancy Obiri to win 5000m, unless she is out of form. She is a 14;18 runner, and she didn't even respond to the moves that gidey and hassan made. Hassan went all out. So I'm thinking Obiri just decided to keep it in the back.

However, this is another race that Gidey has spoiled. She did the same thing at Pre, and Dibaba went with her and got spent. Obiri seem to play it safe and didn't go into her last 200 meter sprint mode that she usually does.

It's going to be really interesting to see what form these girls are in at the WC. Can't go off DL wins. They mean nothing, because all of them have speed.

But I still have Obiri taking 5000m.

1500m is where the question mark is. Will Faith Kipyegon be competing. If she is in top form, and will be competing, no one can beat her. But if she will be competing than I would go with Hassan, because Dibaba even though she ran 3:55 and 3:56 this year is a huge question mark.

big dave22 wrote:

Hassan is the best 800-10000 runner in the world. She's like Webb at his peak, except arguably better. Then again, she didn't have to deal with desperate Appalachian poverty.

you mean 1500-10000m. She can't compete with the girls at 800m. She can put in a fast time, but wilson would smoke her off the earth. And I still put Obiri ahead of her at 5000m. That was hassan first win against Obiri, where Obiri has some smoked hassan over and over again. So I just can't go off of one win.

But she is incredible form right now. But you gotta win WC and Olympics first, and she has none of those.

1) We can start to appreciate El Guerrouj.

He was the indoor WR holder and followed that up by winning and dominating outdoors. Check Tefera for quite the opposite ability of domination and shows what makes El G the GOAT.

2) Jakob I. needs to build some confidence. He needs to hurt earlier in the race. He is too afraid of going too hard, too early. Will be the most interesting athlete to watch in Doha to see what he is able to build in training until race day. The heats will not hurt him with his aerobic base.

3. Kipruto? Hmm...

Scorpion_runner wrote:

So I'm thinking Obiri just decided to keep it in the back.

Lol absurd speculation. Hassan's close today was better than anything Obiri has done in her career and ever will be able to do. Assuming Hassan chooses 5000m over 1500m Obiri's only hope will be that Hassan might be tired from the 10000m if Obiri herself decides to only compete at 5000m (I remember she wasn't sure after the Kenyan 10000m trials about a double attempt).

fanboy detected wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

So I'm thinking Obiri just decided to keep it in the back.

Lol absurd speculation. Hassan's close today was better than anything Obiri has done in her career and ever will be able to do. Assuming Hassan chooses 5000m over 1500m Obiri's only hope will be that Hassan might be tired from the 10000m if Obiri herself decides to only compete at 5000m (I remember she wasn't sure after the Kenyan 10000m trials about a double attempt).

You kidding me right ? That wasn't even fast time. I guess you forgot all about what obiri did to hassan earlier this year with 200 meters out ...pure destruction. Obiri's only hope? lol This is hassan's first win against obiri, in a race where obiri didn't even go all out.

hassan's close today was better than anything obiri has done in her career?

you do know obiri is the world champion and olympic silver medalist at that distance and has run 14:18, a time hassan has never seen.

dude you're killing me..are you new?

I guess you forgot about obiri doing this to hassan earlier this year

Also, when Obiri beat Hassan this year, she ran 14:21, with a smoking 200m.

Hassan just beat Obiri with a 14;26 time, on a 59 second last lap.

think about that. Obiri wasn't even close to pushing today. If you don't under stand that, then you don't know Helen Obiri.

Like I said I still have Obiri number 1 at 5000m because she smoked everyone this year at that distance, and it was Hassan's

first win against her. And it was a slow time

So Obiri beating hassan this year with a 14:21 with both of them pushing is more of an indication than Hassan beating obiri with a 14:26 where Obiri didn't match anyone moves. Hell Gidey and Koko finished ahead of her.

I'll talk to you at WC . You'll see. We see this from Hassan ever year. But at World Championships. Indoors, Outdoors, Olympics, she doesn't win. Maybe it will be different this year. Who knows.

Don't let this Diamond League s h i t go to your head.

YMMV wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Sure, and it had nothing to do with Centro being able to run very fast in the last 800m of a 1500m race. In an interview once he said his 400m dash is only 49 or 50s, the interviewer was completely confused, but he added "but I can close a mile in 1:51, I guess that's quite good". Sure, he ran the shortest way and was the tactical mastermind in that race, but being able to close a 1500 in 1:51 is still fantastic despite the first 700 being run at his 8k pace, aka no effort.

Rio 2016 1500m was a masterful display of the tactical art that Centro had developed over many years and close runs at the top level. One of the top 1500 all-time, rejected by the ignorant as a "High school time".

Master-what? Centro raced the shortest distance that day. Centrowitz was the only one who was willing to lead the first 700m. Centrowitz had no control over the other men, the first 700m. The superior 1500m runners, the sub-3:30 men all raced extra metres and were bumping and elbowing each other the entire race. Fans of a 2:16 first 800m in a 1500m final will not be happy. A 2:16 800m split did not occur in 2017 W.C. 1500m final. A 2:16 800m split will not occur in 2019 W.C. 1500m final and it will not occur in 2020 Olympics 1500m final.

3:57.xx wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Sure, and it had nothing to do with Centro being able to run very fast in the last 800m of a 1500m race. In an interview once he said his 400m dash is only 49 or 50s, the interviewer was completely confused, but he added "but I can close a mile in 1:51, I guess that's quite good". Sure, he ran the shortest way and was the tactical mastermind in that race, but being able to close a 1500 in 1:51 is still fantastic despite the first 700 being run at his 8k pace, aka no effort.

You're wasting your breath. You're dealing with 5 minute milers on this board- no concept of what championship racing is about.

Nice of you to advertise your 1000m personal best, 3:57.xx.

Tell Centrowitz to do it again. Tell Centrowitz to prove other runners did not have to take a dive in order for Centrowitz to win. Do you remember when good fellas from the north east U.S. were fixing college basketball games in 1970's & 1980's? Go back at look at college games we know were fixed. Watch those games, then watch 2016 Olympics men 1500m final.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

big dave22 wrote:

Hassan is the best 800-10000 runner in the world. She's like Webb at his peak, except arguably better. Then again, she didn't have to deal with desperate Appalachian poverty.

you mean 1500-10000m. She can't compete with the girls at 800m. She can put in a fast time, but wilson would smoke her off the earth. And I still put Obiri ahead of her at 5000m. That was hassan first win against Obiri, where Obiri has some smoked hassan over and over again. So I just can't go off of one win.

Hassan would medal in the 800 this year. No question about it. She ran 1:56 with no real focus on that distance in 2017. Check out her last 800 meter splits in her recent races. She absolutely kills it.

great? what? wrote:

3:57.xx wrote:

You're wasting your breath. You're dealing with 5 minute milers on this board- no concept of what championship racing is about.

Nice of you to advertise your 1000m personal best, 3:57.xx.

Tell Centrowitz to do it again. Tell Centrowitz to prove other runners did not have to take a dive in order for Centrowitz to win. Do you remember when good fellas from the north east U.S. were fixing college basketball games in 1970's & 1980's? Go back at look at college games we know were fixed. Watch those games, then watch 2016 Olympics men 1500m final.

You do know CEntro has an world's indoor championship gold medal as well, and silver world's outdoor medal. He is just a great championship runner.

And most championship races are tactical, so I don't understand your point. Centro is a master tactical racer.