June Eastwood journey documentary teaser

I cannot speak for others, but I do not have a problem with June's choice to undergo transgender surgery(sorry if that is not the correct term), it's just not my business. But I do not think she should be allowed to compete with biological females. It is completely unnecessary and unfair.

Yeah, those two guys and the people who follow them are full of love for all human beings...not.

It's not a good representation of the entire demographic.

I haven't read anything about June having surgery.

She's been on complete hormone therapy for 15 months.

That includes testosterone blockers, and female hormones.

Her muscle mass has decreased.

Her strength has decreased.

Her ability to recover from hard workouts has decreased as a result.

Any advantage she may have now would be mostly from her growth period before she went on hormone therapy.

Teenagers and young adults who develop with testosterone levels of a male generally have larger frames, height, rib cage and lung capacity etc.

I realize that she has that large frame body, however now she has decreased strength because of her 15 months on hormone therapy.

Imagine taking a girl with her physical strength and then handing them the heavier boned body of a male.

There may be some perceived advantages but I think they are greatly diminished by the loss of strength and ability to recover.

One advantage I feel sure about is that June will not have a monthly period and loss of blood and iron levels that must be maintained.

However, it's not an easy thing to be on hormone therapy.

Caster Semenya said it made her feel terrible and decided not to do it.

I think after 15 months of hormone therapy that the playing field has been greatly leveled for June.

Rather than speculate, perhaps a study could be done with volunteer males who go on one year of hormone therapy.

JimiH wrote:

I cannot speak for others, but I do not have a problem with June's choice to undergo transgender surgery(sorry if that is not the correct term), it's just not my business. But I do not think she should be allowed to compete with biological females. It is completely unnecessary and unfair.

I don’t have a problem with her transitioning. I also don’t have a problem with her competing against female runners, even if she ends up running 14:30 again.

The way I see it, if you are okay with her being able to use the women’s bathroom, that seems to be a bigger deal than her running around in circles on a track, then why the intolerance about running in circles around a track. Seems hypocritical.

When will they broadcast the documentary about Jonathan's victims, for example about the girl that lost her spot in the team due to this?

If I thought MTF athletes didn’t have an advantage over XX athletes I wouldn’t care. They do have an unfair advantage and that is why I can’t support this. Having requirements for athletes to be on drugs to complete is a disaster of a policy and antithetical to the anti doping movement.

Why are posts being deleted in this thread?

Truth and logic are banned now I guess.

Hmmweird wrote:

Why are posts being deleted in this thread?

Truth and logic are banned now I guess.

+1

The lunatics are running the asylum now.

How about for every FTM that takes a NCAA spot in men's sport ONE FTM can take a spot in women's NCAA sports?

If there is no advantage, why can some many men take women's spots, but not visa versa?

Sorry meant why can almost any male make the women's teams after "therapy" , but women to men can't. Because MTF have an advantage. Slippery slope.

Fogrunr wrote:

So nice to hear June speak for herself.

It's interesting how people can be judgemental when they have not even met someone in person, when they lack the witness of first-hand experience.

https://www.abcfoxmontana.com/teaser-trailer-meet-june-a-pioneering-university-of-montana-athlete/video_5e881a80-c5f0-11e9-b844-17ab20c67996.html

Because some people don't see June as very unique special and different in the whole world of human drama and no documentary is going to change that.

June ran a 14:33 4k last weekend. That would have only been good for the 89th best time for all NCAA women (all divisions) last year. Either he is as pathetic against women as he was against men, or he is being clever in not putting the balls to the wall too soon in the season. We shall see.

Still a dude, still shouldn't be running with women, still needs mental help, not praise.

mcguck wrote:

Still a dude, still shouldn't be running with women, still needs mental help, not praise.

Exactly. This is a man with a mental illness. Society is not helping people like this who need mental therapy, not people encouraging them to indulge in their illness. It’s actually quite sad.

Ace of Base wrote:

mcguck wrote:

Still a dude, still shouldn't be running with women, still needs mental help, not praise.

Exactly. This is a man with a mental illness. Society is not helping people like this who need mental therapy, not people encouraging them to indulge in their illness. It’s actually quite sad.

Given that you feel gender dysphoria is a mental illness, how do you think Caster Semenya should live her life? As a man or woman?

Also, true gender dysphoria almost always disappears after someone has transitioned. So what is the cure other than transitioning?

That is the biggest misconception about transgenders females is that hormone therapy isn't a big deal. The subjects if your study will grow permanent breasts and possibly become sterile. There are limits to a Release of Liability Agreement and any jury would be disgusted by the testers being willing to such a thing to a person. It might even be a criminal act.

If man want to undergo an attempt at being a woman and it's unhealthy for them physically , why should society condone it? For what other mental diseases do we condone self- harm?

XY wrote:

, how do you think Caster Semenya should live her life? As a man or woman?

Outside of athletics, it appears it lives it life as a man.

Look at how Caster sits and talks.

Title9 wrote:

How about for every FTM that takes a NCAA spot in men's sport ONE FTM can take a spot in women's NCAA sports?

If there is no advantage, why can some many men take women's spots, but not visa versa?

Batshit logic, bro.