Josh Thompson runs 3:35.01 for the win in Berlin today. Got to think Schumacher made a mistake with Josh not racing him enough to get the standard before USAs. I'd like to see him at Worlds as he is rounding into great shape at the right time of the year.
It makes no sense for USATF not to let you chase the standard between USA and worlds when they are 2 full months apart.
Agreed, very dumb.
But everyone knew the rules, including Jerry and Josh.
Dumb to only race a couple times and somehow expect to get the qualifier at the trials.
Missed the oly standard by 0.01s, that got to hurt
Jerry’s guys dance with who brung em.
Many don’t agree with it (obviously similar to WK’s situation), but it is who they are.
Highly Disturbed wrote:
Missed the oly standard by 0.01s, that got to hurt
He looked decently in control on that final 200m; probably could get it this year but he’s running out of meets, especially on Schumacher’s limited racing schedule. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the end of his track season and Jerry just wants him to go for it next year. Hopefully he can stay healthy enough to do so.
A side note, very weird that 3:35 is nation-leading, I know there are some mile conversions faster but really?
toomanyspikes wrote:
A side note, very weird that 3:35 is nation-leading, I know there are some mile conversions faster but really?
The problem seems to be the meets our top 1500 guys are choosing. Engels raced well in several 3:35ish races instead of heading to a race like Monaco or Paris where he could probably go 3:33-3:34 easily. Centro's also on the Schumacher plan of race less train more, so he only really did Pre (Mile) and USAs (never gonna be that fast). Haven't seen any results for Blankenship recently either so I assume he's training up for worlds but I'm starting to wonder how these guys plan to knock out their Olympic qualifiers since, as many have pointed out, they're quickly running out of meets this season.
Josh and his wife had heir first child this year. That combined with some niggles curtailed any early season fitness. He's just now rounding into form.
Best to know wrote:
Josh and his wife had heir first child this year. That combined with some niggles curtailed any early season fitness. He's just now rounding into form.
Josh was supposed to be a steeplechaser and BTC pounded him for 2 straight years culminating in a 9:01 steeple this year at Portland. After that, Jerry essentially ignored him (didn’t even go to altitude) and he was undoubtedly on his way to being cut from team. Surprised he made final and shocked everyone again with placing in top 3.
He is the fastest American 1500 runner this year.
Thompson ran 3:35.01, which is just .01 off the Olympic standard. It's bad enough USATF isn't sending him to Worlds this year (though, as pointed out above, everyone knew the rules going in). But it also made me think of the following scenario:
Let's say Thompson doesn't run any faster between now and the 2020 Olympic Trials. Thompson finishes 3rd at the Trials in the 1500 (just like he did this year). He's in line to get an IAAF invite to the Olympics based off his world ranking, but USATF decides it will go with the top 3 finishers with the standard, so they take the guy who finishes 5th at the Trials (who has the standard) instead of Thompson.
Obviously this is a very specific scenario I'm projecting here, but I'm already worried that USATF is going to ignore the world rankings in its selection policy next year. If USATF won't send Thompson to the Olympics because he didn't run .01 faster in some meet nine months before the Trials, they should be ashamed. Hope it doesn't come to that!
Time for nike to flex its wallet and put him on the Doha team.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Thompson ran 3:35.01, which is just .01 off the Olympic standard. It's bad enough USATF isn't sending him to Worlds this year (though, as pointed out above, everyone knew the rules going in). But it also made me think of the following scenario:
Let's say Thompson doesn't run any faster between now and the 2020 Olympic Trials. Thompson finishes 3rd at the Trials in the 1500 (just like he did this year). He's in line to get an IAAF invite to the Olympics based off his world ranking, but USATF decides it will go with the top 3 finishers with the standard, so they take the guy who finishes 5th at the Trials (who has the standard) instead of Thompson.
Obviously this is a very specific scenario I'm projecting here, but I'm already worried that USATF is going to ignore the world rankings in its selection policy next year. If USATF won't send Thompson to the Olympics because he didn't run .01 faster in some meet nine months before the Trials, they should be ashamed. Hope it doesn't come to that!
Great way to couch it but if this very scenario were to occur, it would be Thompson's fault for not achieving the standard despite your premature whine.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Thompson ran 3:35.01, which is just .01 off the Olympic standard. It's bad enough USATF isn't sending him to Worlds this year (though, as pointed out above, everyone knew the rules going in). But it also made me think of the following scenario:
Let's say Thompson doesn't run any faster between now and the 2020 Olympic Trials. Thompson finishes 3rd at the Trials in the 1500 (just like he did this year). He's in line to get an IAAF invite to the Olympics based off his world ranking, but USATF decides it will go with the top 3 finishers with the standard, so they take the guy who finishes 5th at the Trials (who has the standard) instead of Thompson.
Obviously this is a very specific scenario I'm projecting here, but I'm already worried that USATF is going to ignore the world rankings in its selection policy next year. If USATF won't send Thompson to the Olympics because he didn't run .01 faster in some meet nine months before the Trials, they should be ashamed. Hope it doesn't come to that!
I don't agree with the rankings at all, so to me, top 3 with the oly standards should go to the Olympics. If he can't hit the standard, then too bad for him.
Is God not super mad that he's doing this on a Sunday?
Sabbathical wrote:
Is God not super mad that he's doing this on a Sunday?
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/02/meet-interesting-man-ncaa-running-hes-59-can-dunk-basketball-one-year-gone-417-3-time-ncaa-history-meet-oklahoma-states-josh-thompson/
Not cool to bag on someone else's religion, no matter what qualms you may have with it. It's none of your business anyway.
You give credence that ignorance has no boundaries.
fghrunner wrote:
It makes no sense for USATF not to let you chase the standard between USA and worlds when they are 2 full months apart.
There was a time when they were allowed to chase the standard. Runners were chasing it all over Europe and in special races set up in the US.
Often, by the time they got to Olympics or Worlds they were past their peak and ran lousy in the championship meet.
I'm torn but I have watched some early (pre USA's) meets with a pace setter at the pace and no one went with him/her.
They had the opportunity to at least try and didn't
JG, why don't you apply this concern and logic to the Marathon Trials that you and ownership fought so hard to change?
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Thompson ran 3:35.01, which is just .01 off the Olympic standard. It's bad enough USATF isn't sending him to Worlds this year (though, as pointed out above, everyone knew the rules going in). But it also made me think of the following scenario:
Let's say Thompson doesn't run any faster between now and the 2020 Olympic Trials. Thompson finishes 3rd at the Trials in the 1500 (just like he did this year). He's in line to get an IAAF invite to the Olympics based off his world ranking, but USATF decides it will go with the top 3 finishers with the standard, so they take the guy who finishes 5th at the Trials (who has the standard) instead of Thompson.
Obviously this is a very specific scenario I'm projecting here, but I'm already worried that USATF is going to ignore the world rankings in its selection policy next year. If USATF won't send Thompson to the Olympics because he didn't run .01 faster in some meet nine months before the Trials, they should be ashamed. Hope it doesn't come to that!
REAL. wrote:
JG, why don't you apply this concern and logic to the Marathon Trials that you and ownership fought so hard to change?
Ummm, he did. We feel the top three across the line should go to the olympics just like the top three at the olympics get the medals. Imagine if at the the olympics the top three didn’t get the medals and instead they went back and gave the medals to the top three with some arbitrary standard.
rojo wrote:
REAL. wrote:
JG, why don't you apply this concern and logic to the Marathon Trials that you and ownership fought so hard to change?
Ummm, he did. We feel the top three across the line should go to the olympics just like the top three at the olympics get the medals. Imagine if at the the olympics the top three didn’t get the medals and instead they went back and gave the medals to the top three with some arbitrary standard.
Disagree. If you can't hit the standards and your country has three or more others meeting the standard, then you shouldn't go.
Top three with the standards get to go is fair and transparent.
You probably disagree with me, but I don't really care.
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