Drew Hunter injuries

There’s no way he was able to race or train with those injuries. Must be an exaggeration. Who was saying that there’s 0% chance of getting injured with Tinman training though?

He looked like he was running injured at the championships. It wouldn't surprise me if he already had minor stress reactions and/or plantar fasciitis that worsened as he dragged himself though that 5000.

That would really be a shame.

Those injuries you agree that he would not be able to train with would seem to have been brought about by not getting initial problems sorted out. He admits he was having those problems and continued to train and compete . Watch the clip ! Nor have I mentioned Tinmans training causing the injuries ! What I’m suggesting is that the injuries warranted getting sorted out rather than training through. As you rightly say he won’t be able to anything at the moment so Worlds look iffy. He can cross train but it’s another major risk turning out. I think Tinmans training is great and want Drew to succeed but not at the likely cost.

His running form looks like it could contribute to injury.

Just wow... wrote:

His running form looks like it could contribute to injury.

chicken or the egg?

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Just wow... wrote:

His running form looks like it could contribute to injury.

chicken or the egg?

I believe the running form pre-existed the injuries, as he has demonstrated this form since his H.S. days when he was presumably running without injury.

rare wrote:

There’s no way he was able to race or train with those injuries. Must be an exaggeration. Who was saying that there’s 0% chance of getting injured with Tinman training though?

Classic Tinman training (easy long run & very easy easy runs & 1 easy tempo/steady state around mp & 1 cv interval session) does have incredibly low injury risk compared to most programs.

Hunter never got injured when he trained with this system in HS.

However, he is at a pro level now where much harder training is necessary to cause further improvement and stimulus, which of course has a higher injury risk. Even Tinman trains pro athletes different than recreational 15-20 min 5k runners or HS athletes, and knows that harder training is needed to help Hunter compete at the very highest level internationally.

Hunters training now is very similar to what he did in high school. Similar mileage (70-80), similar intensity. Maybe a bit more intensity but not much, especially with his injuries he hasn’t been able to train as much of as hard.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

rare wrote:

There’s no way he was able to race or train with those injuries. Must be an exaggeration. Who was saying that there’s 0% chance of getting injured with Tinman training though?

Classic Tinman training (easy long run & very easy easy runs & 1 easy tempo/steady state around mp & 1 cv interval session) does have incredibly low injury risk compared to most programs.

Hunter never got injured when he trained with this system in HS.

However, he is at a pro level now where much harder training is necessary to cause further improvement and stimulus, which of course has a higher injury risk. Even Tinman trains pro athletes different than recreational 15-20 min 5k runners or HS athletes, and knows that harder training is needed to help Hunter compete at the very highest level internationally.

it's a misunderstanding ,not only by you, that to train as a pro needs harder training. What's needed is just faster training paces.

The video lays it on pretty thick. He was not limping during race and looked as goofy and out of his depth as always. The entire Tinman Elite schtick is lame. They seem like an obnoxious bunch of frat bros in public. While norwegian and African teenagers are showing they belong in the pro ranks, Hunter apologists yammer on about what collegiate yea he’d be and make excuses. Nothing to see here.

It’s been said plenty on here, but his form really is conspicuously odd. None of the top men in the world run like that, and it’s easy to speculate that his form will be a limiting factor for him as a pro. Injuries could play into that.

Drew looks almost as bad as Gwen Jorgenson.

I wonder if this has more to do with being coached remotely, than Tinman in particular. I thought Tinman hadn't actually moved to Boulder yet, which would mean Hunter's free to run until he breaks unless they have another coach there.

Bad coaching, bad athlete management. Developing a young runner to run at the elite/professional level is not easy and takes real coaching ability. Running athletes into the ground without any consideration to their overall development is "high school". Set backs like these are very costly in trying to establish a professional training program.

Jordan Gusman is injured and will miss worlds. Brogan Austin is also injured...Parsons is the only one still standing?

Drew raced, then found out he had those injuries. Took some time off and is back training now

As always, Tinman haters gonna hate on LRC!

I'm surprised it took so long for anything about Drew Hunter's injury to be posted here.

a) If you look at his post-race interview on Runnerspace (right after the race), you'll see that he briefly mentions not being able to kick at the end due to his foot - and that he is not making excuses (he was buoyant about making the Worlds team). The interviewer doesn't grill him further about the injury - a lost opportunity, really.

b) The post-race LRC chatter clearly noted Drew's obvious lack of a finishing kick. Knowing that closing has been one of his strengths, it should have been telltale that this lack of a finishing kick might have indicated that he was held back by an injury. (Of course, as he clearly states in the Runnerspace interview, he knew that 5th place would still put him on the Worlds team, so really there was no need to sprint on an achy foot.)

c) If you look at the first Tinman video (Part 1 of 2) about the Nationals, you'll see that Drew mentions his achy foot, as he painfully soaks it in ice. That's pre-Nats.

d) Then, maybe two weeks later, the Part 2 video went on-line. In Part 2, he talks about the injury (injuries, I guess) in the week before Nats, as he soaks his feet in a stream. (No snakes were harmed in the making of that video...I presume.)

I was at Des Moines, and after the race Drew was trying not to grimace and hobble as he made his way around the track to accept lots of congratulatory cheers and hugs. (He is really, really popular.) After all, he was thrilled to reach his goal of making the Doha team, and that would have helped to offset any pain, I think. Besides, runners have pain all the time. I bet even then, he was still hopeful that whatever was wrong would not ever stop him from competing in Doha. He even says in the Runnerspace interview that his goal is to make the finals. This is right after the 5k final, when he knew he was on the Worlds team. Confidence, despite adversity. The Part 2 video shows his Tinman teammates helping a very-much-hurting guy sometime after the race, maybe the next day.

I can see the validity of the pigheadedness argument here: that it is madness and foolish to continue to train on a serious injury, and then to compete with it. That's a legitimate opinion - that to continue to train, then race, with such an injury is potentially a huge negative for the future.

However, guys like Drew Hunter are as good as they are, in part, because they aren't wussies. They don't cry "uncle" very easily. They fight pain all the time and run through injuries that curtail running activities for wimps like me. Such determination and eye-on-the-prize focus sometimes backfires badly, and sometimes it leads to outrageous, lofty success. Well, I don't think too many of us can say that making the Worlds 5k team isn't one story of a lofty success. I mean, he's not yet 22.

I just hope reaching that point won't come at too high a price.

Drew, if you read this, I wish you well, and I can hardly wait to watch you represent the US in Doha!

bloviating wrote:

The video lays it on pretty thick. He was not limping during race and looked as goofy and out of his depth as always. The entire Tinman Elite schtick is lame.

My guess is bloviating sneers at the exuberance of Noah Lyles. At the goofiness, etc., of Nick Symmonds. In fact, maybe bloviating worships Graham Chapman's character in the Monty Python video recently posted by Here Comes Rhymin' Symmonds here:

Yeah, in making the men's 5,000 team for the upcoming World Championships, Drew Hunter "looked as goofy and out of his depth as always", which includes last winter when he won the indoor 2-mile national championship. If "goofy" gets you to the finish line first, it should be an essential part of training!

You always have to have a "short term" vs. "long term" approach. Making a World's team is a very big deal for a developing runner but you have to balance against his overall development as a athlete. The later "long term" approach always comes first with a 21 year old runner. My guess is the coach needed the result more than the athlete so it would help legitimize his program and funding.