Donavan Brazier 1:42:70!!!!

Training through may mean running at 6 minutes per mile and slower only. Training through may mean various water/pool training. I know the downside of training through. I only was able to run at 7 minutes per mile and slower without significant discomfort after a grade 1. I ran with a limp, slight or not so slight. Running with a limp, I then strained one Achilles, then the other. I eventually, I had a partial tear of one Achilles with a huge black & blue knot on Achilles. Training through a hamstring for an 800m runner is different than training through for a 60m dash indoor athlete. We know from various opinions regarding 800m training on let'srun, 800m training can be 15K jogs, 15K tempo runs, 12 x200m at 600m race pace, 9 x 300m at 800m race pace. I have no knowledge of Amos' training before he went down about five weeks ago. I have no idea what kind of training Amos has done over the past five weeks. If one or more posters want to share knowledge of Amos' training before he went down five or so weeks ago and also share knowledge of Amos' training over the past six weeks, great!

be specific wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Then he wasn't injured. Did he pull a hamstring or not? Or a Hollywood?

Did you ever participate in T&F in an event shorter than 800m or are you just a P.E.D. commentator? Hamstring injury is not an either or injury. All so-called hamstring pulls/strains are anywhere from slight tears to severe tears requiring surgery. Some strains/tears one can train through, some strains/tears one cannot train through. When one does train through a hamstring strain, one does have to alter training some. How much? It depends. Do you have any facts regarding Amos that you want to share or do you want to play your role as LRC P.E.D. rumor starter/LRC P.E.D. commentator.

So you are quite ok with a guy coming off a hamstring strain/injury and only a few weeks later running world record speed for all but the last few metres of his first race back? That was the original commenter's point.

Highly Disturbed wrote:

Why do people keep stating that Amos is dirty? He trains in USA, with OTC. Why is he singled-out?

Is Hassan Mead, Hanna Green, Neil Gourley dirty? Or Because Amos is African so he get that accusations?

He hardly runs like a doping athlete. He looks to be completely human. Went out fast and died, totally lost composure.

Amos has what it takes to break the WR. Total fearlessness. Unfortunately that can also lead to overcooking it, as shown in the past by many great athletes.

Have you heard of cramp...?

Amos ran several hard races in an extremely close timeframe. It is likely he experienced cramp due to fatigue. Not an injury per se.

Cramp would cause him to limp off the track, and have to stop running. It's an uncontrollable contraction of the muscle.

ex-runner wrote:

Highly Disturbed wrote:

Why do people keep stating that Amos is dirty? He trains in USA, with OTC. Why is he singled-out?

Is Hassan Mead, Hanna Green, Neil Gourley dirty? Or Because Amos is African so he get that accusations?

He hardly runs like a doping athlete. He looks to be completely human. Went out fast and died, totally lost composure.

Amos has what it takes to break the WR. Total fearlessness. Unfortunately that can also lead to overcooking it, as shown in the past by many great athletes.

He's doped. Even doped you can go out too fast and die. He fell apart when his "coach" Jama Aden was arrested in 2016, and then feigned injury. Like many other Africans who train in the US, he heads back home to "recharge" so to speak, and many of them enjoy political protection, and those forces are putting more money out there to bribe officials because some runners in the West are gaining via strict training methods.

Brazier is on the way up. Interesting that Murphy is just slowly improving, week by week. Wonder if AlSal has timed his peak for the WCs, he may very well be doing that.

Amos has never been coached by Aden. He trained in South Africa and now the USA.

He fell off athletics in 2015-2017 because he decided he wanted to be a DJ.

Amos ran his best time of 1.41xx some 7 years ago, at the putative age of 18. Shouldn't he have been running 1.39 by now - or did his ambitions of becoming a disc jockey trump (sorry) that possible feat?

It is not the first time the 2012 Olympic silver medalist absconded from the test in fact, Masalila has revealed that it was the third time Amos failed to honor the call, and this time around the agency seems to be ready to crack the whip. Part of the letter states the athlete could suffer consequences.

ex-runner wrote:

Highly Disturbed wrote:

Why do people keep stating that Amos is dirty? He trains in USA, with OTC. Why is he singled-out?

Is Hassan Mead, Hanna Green, Neil Gourley dirty? Or Because Amos is African so he get that accusations?

He hardly runs like a doping athlete. He looks to be completely human. Went out fast and died, totally lost composure.

Amos has what it takes to break the WR. Total fearlessness. Unfortunately that can also lead to overcooking it, as shown in the past by many great athletes.

Yes, it's completely human to injure your hamstring and then 3 weeks later attempt to smash the world record. We see it all the time.

Ex runners like you make me glad that I never stepped foot on a track when I was young.

Highly Disturbed wrote:

Why do people keep stating that Amos is dirty? He trains in USA, with OTC. Why is he singled-out?

Is Hassan Mead, Hanna Green, Neil Gourley dirty? Or Because Amos is African so he get that accusations?

He's suspicious because of his time; he's the 3rd fastest man ever that distance! (tied with Coe for the number 3 spot). He's also an Olympic silver medallist. If he's clean, how then does he run so much faster than some of the world class known dopers at that distance? ?

ex-runner wrote:

Highly Disturbed wrote:

Why do people keep stating that Amos is dirty? He trains in USA, with OTC. Why is he singled-out?

Is Hassan Mead, Hanna Green, Neil Gourley dirty? Or Because Amos is African so he get that accusations?

He hardly runs like a doping athlete. He looks to be completely human. Went out fast and died, totally lost composure.

Amos has what it takes to break the WR. Total fearlessness. Unfortunately that can also lead to overcooking it, as shown in the past by many great athletes.

That's corny! After Rocket Fuel Ramzi doubled at Helsinki in 05, there was a cloud of suspicion over him but many supporters said he hardly ran like a doper. Even some coaches back then said he looked "human" because he finally took training seriously running for Bahrain where he was treated better. Of course, a few years later when he was popped at Beijing there was nothing but dead silence from these Ramzi supporters. Lol.

So Amos is an undisputed master of dodging tests and getting away with it (as YMMV posted above - he's missed three), breaks down clutching his hamstring as though a marksman in the crowd has just taken it out, goes back home to Botswana where there is little or no testing, and after 3 weeks of no racing is back immediately to what he obviously felt was sub 1:41 WR form.

And you see nothing suspicious in that given your own inside knowledge of how easy it is to avoid testing positive?

He probably saw Zurich as potentially his last chance of breaking the WR, knew he was within a second of a place in history and MASSIVE financial boosts in the remainder of his career, so 'pulled' a hamstring injury so that he could have 3 weeks of 'boosting' unmolested by testers.

I might never have stepped foot on a track, but I know that if you have hurt your hamstring in any way, if your goal is Doha just a few weeks away now, you don't immediately jump back on the track and try to smash the WR.

According to ex-runner, Amos got injured in the first place because 'he was running too fast'.

Unfortunately for Amos, he wasn't quite in the shape he thought in Zurich. Maybe the 'iron rich' teff he was sold was a little deficient...?

Armstronglivs wrote:

Amos ran his best time of 1.41xx some 7 years ago, at the putative age of 18. Shouldn't he have been running 1.39 by now - or did his ambitions of becoming a disc jockey trump (sorry) that possible feat?

You are resorting to stupid arguments now.

That article is from 2015. If there was a reason for a suspension it would have happened years ago.

Amos trains in the USA, not Botswana.

You don't know what happened to him. Ever heard of cramps?

Look at your posts: "obviously", "probably", potentially", "could", "maybe".

NEEDLES mcgirk wrote:

Brazier is on the way up. Interesting that Murphy is just slowly improving, week by week. Wonder if AlSal has timed his peak for the WCs, he may very well be doing that.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Murphy finish ahead of Brazier in Doha.

Let's Think This Through wrote:

Highly Disturbed wrote:

Why do people keep stating that Amos is dirty? He trains in USA, with OTC. Why is he singled-out?

Is Hassan Mead, Hanna Green, Neil Gourley dirty? Or Because Amos is African so he get that accusations?

He's suspicious because of his time; he's the 3rd fastest man ever that distance! (tied with Coe for the number 3 spot). He's also an Olympic silver medallist. If he's clean, how then does he run so much faster than some of the world class known dopers at that distance? ?

So you think Coe is dirty?

Coevett and deanouk will like to have some words with you :)

If Amos missed three tests he would have served a ban simple as.

That article was written during the time Amos gave up Athletics to try and become a DJ, he ran times like 1:48 and 1:51. It would not make sense that he was doping then.

All the rest of your post is fake news. Plain and simple. I follow Amos on Instagram and he didn't go to Botswana, he was in the USA. He's currently in London. Why do you make things up?

Why would pulling up in a race mean you get the opportunity to start doping? You can finish the race and still dope or not run at all and dope. The two events are completely uncorrelated.

Amos obviously got cramp in London from fatigue. He posted on social media the next morning that he hadn't suffered a major injury. I take it you've never suffered cramp whilst running because you never ran.

All your 'probably' and 'maybe' statements show you lack credibility.

Case against Amos : 1 - pb at 18 and the 3rd joint fastest man in history, improving his best from the previous season by nearly 6 seconds. Still his pb seven years later. 2 - Missed two doping tests (and according to some sources, three), coming very close to a doping violation suspension. 3 - Comes from an East African country that likely has even lower testing standards than Kenya. 4 - Breaks down in DL race with what appears a serious hamstring injury, then 3 weeks later re-emerges and attempts to smash the WR in his first race back, on course until the last 80m when he fades badly.

Highly Disturbed wrote:

Let's Think This Through wrote:

He's suspicious because of his time; he's the 3rd fastest man ever that distance! (tied with Coe for the number 3 spot). He's also an Olympic silver medallist. If he's clean, how then does he run so much faster than some of the world class known dopers at that distance? ?

So you think Coe is dirty?

Coevett and deanouk will like to have some words with you :)