Yeah Amos looked to be in serious oxygen dept and pain at the finish judging by his facial expressions. By comparison, Brazier looks to be taking a stroll in the park--surely he had more left in the tank.
Yeah Amos looked to be in serious oxygen dept and pain at the finish judging by his facial expressions. By comparison, Brazier looks to be taking a stroll in the park--surely he had more left in the tank.
Deanouk wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
This is up there with Kipketer's most lopsided 1:41.
Kipketer went through in 48.4 in that 1:41.2 Zurich WR, the same as Amos. Their 600m splits were also very similar. That means Amos lost 1.7secs on Kipketer over the last 200m, which tells me he is not in 1:41 shape.
I didn't say he was in 1:41 shape, only that it's an example of extreme form-holding. Very few runners could have finished in anything resembling a respectable time under that acid level. It was painful to watch.
I remember Alfred Kipketer going out in 48 during the world youth champs a few years ago, and then crawling back around in about 60, and still somehow winning.
I think Amos was making a WR attempt, knowing it might be his last realistic chance. You never know when you're gonna break through, so you just have to try.
Everyone that was around in the early 1980s recognizes the skepticism of Coe's 1:41.73... most of us respect his 2nd fastest time as his PR, 1:42.33, which I believe he ran in Oslo.
Brazier is not far behind that 1:42.33 with his 1:42.70 solo effort.
Remember, Coe only ran 1:43.07 as his next fastest 800m effort in his entire career. Cram had more 800m times better than Coe under 1:43.50 (1:42.88, 1:43.19, 1:43.22, 1:43.42, 1:43.61, 1:43.62)
2 AMOS Nijel BOT 1:42.98 0.28
12.2 (2) 23.6 (2) 35.9 (2) 48.4 (2) 1:01.5 (1) 1:14.5 (1) 1:28.0 (1)
12.2, 11.4 (23.6), 12.3, 12.5=(24.8/48.4),13.1,13 (=26.1),13.5,14.98 (15.0) (28.5/54.58)
What killed him was the crazy 11.4s second 100m, where he was flying and racing Abda for position. Give him a 12.4 there for a very solid 24.6 first 200m and he would have had a chance to go sub 1:42 again. If he runs a low to mid 49 at World's, Brazier will need to keep the deficit to a second, vs. the 2.4 second deficit after 400m here. Even though Korir is not in last year's peak shape, it may well take high 1:41 to win gold. Brazier had a lot in the tank and can get there.
REAL. wrote:
Everyone that was around in the early 1980s recognizes the skepticism of Coe's 1:41.73... most of us respect his 2nd fastest time as his PR, 1:42.33, which I believe he ran in Oslo.
Brazier is not far behind that 1:42.33 with his 1:42.70 solo effort.
Remember, Coe only ran 1:43.07 as his next fastest 800m effort in his entire career. Cram had more 800m times better than Coe under 1:43.50 (1:42.88, 1:43.19, 1:43.22, 1:43.42, 1:43.61, 1:43.62)
Why are people skeptical of the 1:41.73? You talking timing issues or the general drug allegations?
Coe and Cram both ran under 1:43.50 4 times each - Coe’s 4 far better than Cram’s 4 (not sure why you say 1:43.50 and then list times slower than that). It’s pretty easy to check these stats these days. He also had 9 x sub 1:44 compared to Crams 6
Regardless of the timing of Coes run, the hand times were still under 1:42, so it can’t be totally discounted
Coe 1:41.73 1:42.33 1:43.07 1:43.38
So this same guy badly pulled his hamstring about a month ago and is now back now racing 80% of a race at world record pace. Really? Wake up folks.
Subway Surfers wrote:
So this same guy badly pulled his hamstring about a month ago and is now back now racing 80% of a race at world record pace. Really? Wake up folks.
Do you know details regarding the damage to Nijel Amos' femoris bicep? Do you know details regarding number of days Amos did not run after he damaged his hamstring? Do you know details regarding Amos' rehab? Do you know details regarding how Amos' training was altered?
He is only 22 so he should get more, Gray first ran UNDER 1:43 at age 24
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Random stats. # of career sub-1:43s—2nd number is the # of different seasons they ran sub-1:43. In the event of ties I ordered them by PB. Everyone who’s done it 3+ times:
1. Kipketer 21/5
2. Rudisha 16/6
3. Amos 6/5
4. Cruz 6/2
5. Bucher 4/2
6. Gray 4/4
7. Kimutai 4/2
8. Bungei 3/3
9. Aman 3/3
Brazier is only 22 so he should get more, Gray first ran UNDER 1:43 at age 24.
be specific wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
So this same guy badly pulled his hamstring about a month ago and is now back now racing 80% of a race at world record pace. Really? Wake up folks.
Do you know details regarding the damage to Nijel Amos' femoris bicep? Do you know details regarding number of days Amos did not run after he damaged his hamstring? Do you know details regarding Amos' rehab? Do you know details regarding how Amos' training was altered?
I think the point is that any kind of genuine injury would normally prevent that level of performance so soon after it was incurred.
Armstronglivs wrote:
be specific wrote:
Do you know details regarding the damage to Nijel Amos' femoris bicep? Do you know details regarding number of days Amos did not run after he damaged his hamstring? Do you know details regarding Amos' rehab? Do you know details regarding how Amos' training was altered?
I think the point is that any kind of genuine injury would normally prevent that level of performance so soon after it was incurred.
What kind of injury?
You are simply stating you have no details regarding Amos' injury.
Jesus his last 200 was insane!!! Brazier tuned on the rockets and let it rip!!! Made Amos look like he was standing still as the grim reaper jumped on his back. I like how the the announcer discounted him several times and then was like “Holy $hit look at Brazier!!!” That was an awesome run by any standard. He seriously needs to aim for the American record which is well within his reach - so close. Go out too fast, you blow up, go out too slow, you run the risk of being left in the dust but damn the way Brazier ran that curve - he totally shifted gears and blew those suckers away!!!’
Impressive!!!’
I was curious about where Rudisha was at the same age.
Donovan Brazier --
19 - 1:47.55
20 - 1:43.55
21 - 1:43.95
22 - 1:42.70
Rudisha --
19 - 1:43.72
20 - 1:42.01
21 - 1:41.01
22 - 1:41.33
23 - 1:40.91 (PR)
Coe ran his 1:41.73 at 24. Kipketer ran his PR at 24. Cruz ran his PR at 21. Amos (thus far) at 18. Korir at 23. I think Brazier has two more years to really see what he can do in the 800. Hope he goes sub 1:41!
Creaky Bones wrote:
I was curious about where Rudisha was at the same age.
Donovan Brazier --
18 - 1:47.55
19 - 1:43.55
20 - 1:43.95
21 - 1:45.10i
22 -1:42.70
Rudisha --
19 - 1:43.72
20 - 1:42.01
21 - 1:41.01
22 - 1:41.33
23 - 1:40.91 (PR)
Coe ran his 1:41.73 at 24. Kipketer ran his PR at 24. Cruz ran his PR at 21. Amos (thus far) at 18. Korir at 23. I think Brazier has two more years to really see what he can do in the 800. Hope he goes sub 1:41!
In all fairness, this is the first season Brazier has raced internationally. Aside from his indoor season in 2018 he never really chased fast times any of the other seasons.
Not to mention, Rudisha is a pretty tough act to follow.
be specific wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I think the point is that any kind of genuine injury would normally prevent that level of performance so soon after it was incurred.
What kind of injury?
You are simply stating you have no details regarding Amos' injury.
Then he wasn't injured. Did he pull a hamstring or not? Or a Hollywood?
Creaky Bones wrote:
I was curious about where Rudisha was at the same age.
Donovan Brazier --
19 - 1:47.55
20 - 1:43.55
21 - 1:43.95
22 - 1:42.70
Rudisha --
19 - 1:43.72
20 - 1:42.01
21 - 1:41.01
22 - 1:41.33
23 - 1:40.91 (PR)
Coe ran his 1:41.73 at 24. Kipketer ran his PR at 24. Cruz ran his PR at 21. Amos (thus far) at 18. Korir at 23. I think Brazier has two more years to really see what he can do in the 800. Hope he goes sub 1:41!
Who else but Amos has peaked at their specialist distance at age 18? What would we make of Coe, Ovett, Cram, Cruz or Rudisha running their 800 pb's at that age instead of their mid-twenties?
Armstronglivs wrote:
be specific wrote:
What kind of injury?
You are simply stating you have no details regarding Amos' injury.
Then he wasn't injured. Did he pull a hamstring or not? Or a Hollywood?
You are an experienced runner, right?
Maybe you were lucky enough not to be injured very often.
I once suffered from severe cramping in my calves during an easy run on a Thursday. It was so severe that I was helped back by two team mates. Two days later the calves were still sore but I ran a then half marathon PR.
Maybe Amos is on drugs, maybe he is not, maybe he was an age cheat, maybe he was not. But unless someone knows, specifically, what happened to his leg during that race, it's all speculation and/or accusations without any evidence.
Armstronglivs wrote:
be specific wrote:
What kind of injury?
You are simply stating you have no details regarding Amos' injury.
Then he wasn't injured. Did he pull a hamstring or not? Or a Hollywood?
Did you ever participate in T&F in an event shorter than 800m or are you just a P.E.D. commentator? Hamstring injury is not an either or injury. All so-called hamstring pulls/strains are anywhere from slight tears to severe tears requiring surgery. Some strains/tears one can train through, some strains/tears one cannot train through. When one does train through a hamstring strain, one does have to alter training some. How much? It depends. Do you have any facts regarding Amos that you want to share or do you want to play your role as LRC P.E.D. rumor starter/LRC P.E.D. commentator.
Why do people keep stating that Amos is dirty? He trains in USA, with OTC. Why is he singled-out?
Is Hassan Mead, Hanna Green, Neil Gourley dirty? Or Because Amos is African so he get that accusations?