Donavan Brazier 1:42:70!!!!

zxcvzvxc wrote:

That was tremendous composure by Brazier to run the first lap with a 2.5 second deficit and to wait until 600m to claw much of it back. 25.7 close in a 1:42.70 race is impressive, and the 50.8/51.9 split differential is 1.1s, indicating that he is capable of going low 1:42 this year. He really had a lot left. 12.7 last 100m. That is just a tenth of a second off Gray's record 800m from 1985. He also passed Solomon (and a bunch of other guys who had run faster than his 1:43.55, including Symmonds, Everett, and Kenah) for 2nd U.S. all-time.

Are those 'official' splits?

I had his 200m as 25.1, 400m as 50.5 and 600m in 1:16.9, based on gaps between leaders at timed positions a few seconds before each point!

On video -

From the above linked video, the pacer's torso is directly in line with dashes on lanes at 43.6secs of race. Murphy reaches same point at 45.6, and Brazier is no more than 0.3 secs behind. There doesn't appear to be any change in gaps up to the bell, which the pacer passes in 48.2.

That puts Murphy at about 50.2 at bell and Brazier at c. 50.5.

For the 600m split, Amos is above a line in lane 1 at 1:11.8 into the race, Brazier crosses it at 1:14.4, just as Amos is about to pass through the 600m line. That means Brazier is 2.6secs behind at this point. But whereas Amos is slowing (towards a 28.5 last 200m), Brazier is speeding up, so I can imagine that gap has closed to more like 2.5secs by the time Brazier hits the 600m mark. This would mean his 600m split is likely 1:16.9 (25.8 last 200m), although it could have been 1:17.0 as you suggest.

I agree that he passes the 700m mark in 1:29.9, so his last 100m is 12.7, as there is a delay of 0.1 secs at the finish; he crosses at 1:42.6 before the clock ticks over 0.1secs.

I have his laps at 50.5/52.2 and his 200 splits at - 25.1, 25.4, 26.4, 25.8.

VIPAM wrote:

Really guy...you do realize Amos has already run 1:41 this year?!

Must have missed it. I saw him run a 1:41:89 which is a 1:42 to anyone with who understands rounding.

Not quite deja vu wrote:

Ffdd wrote:

What is amazing is how bad everyone else's sense of pace is. Nobody out there should be going out faster than 50 ( maybe 49.5). Do any of these guys really think they are in 141 shape?

Next time they'll be more aware, which will make it tougher for Brazier and Murphy.

I doubt it. Amos has done the go out in 49 and hang on strategy forever:). To some extent it makes his life easy tactics wise and it tends works out for him. To some extent it it makes other people run his race and he is better at big positive splits than they are. And note it is a very fine line. He opens with 49 instead of a low 48, we are probably talking about how dominate his 1.42.5 run was.

Note that hanging in the back isn't perfect either. You hit that one 800m where they go out in 55, and you have a ton of traffic to weave through and you have to some how pass guys running sub 51s last laps.

Rupp fan wrote:

Pic number 1 wrote:Without the win or the time would his running 800 meters all alone be impressive? If so, I ran 5 miles this morning, all alone, before sunrise, too. there was not a $50k check at the end though.

For 50k, I am confident that you could have made it at least 6 miles... maybe even 7! I don’t care what your father said... I believe in you!

Thanks for the belief. For 50k I think I could extended my kick from the corner to the mailbox at least out to say the Jacob's house, maybe even the swimming pool in.

I never thought anyone would break 2 and now people are running 1:42:70. How can this be anything other than PEDs?

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

VIPAM wrote:

Really guy...you do realize Amos has already run 1:41 this year?!

Must have missed it. I saw him run a 1:41:89 which is a 1:42 to anyone with who understands rounding.

.....

Troll at his worst

This race is why I state: Pacing (rabbit) for 800m is foolish. Four of the fellas in this 800m race would have gone out sub-24 first 200m without a rabbit. The rabbit hurt more than he helped. Since I assume none of the four men: Amos, McBride, Korir or Rotich are insane, if there were no rabbit they would have gathered themselves the next 200m from 200m to 400m. No 800m runner should ever race sub-48.5 the first 400m. Amos would not have gone out in 48.4 first 400m if there were no rabbit. If Amos races 200m, 24.25, 400m, 49.00 (24.75) in World Championship final, Brazier would be giving up too much ground if Brazier were to believe Amos would fall apart under my split scenario.

22yo and doing this on about 30 miles per week. just perfect for him. fantastic!

I just watched this, and the real story here by far is that Amos went out with the pacemaker in 48 low and didn't fall on his face.

Midway through turn four he was already arm-flailing and somehow still holds it together well enough to collect yet another 1:42. This is up there with Kipketer's most lopsided 1:41. The amount of acid Amos was suffering from would have felled ten California redwoods, but he stayed upright and running.

Yes, congrats Donavan Brazier new AR holder. But let's be real - Amos gets paced through 49.0 or anything slower, don't even. Nobody passes him. Dude is on a whole nuther level than America.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

It looked to me like Amos was gunning for the WR, or at least a PB (under 1:41.73), which is crazy to me given how last we saw him he was clutching his hamstring in pain.

None of you here have ever stepped foot on a track.

None of you have even ever read Nietzsche either.

'That which does not kill us makes us faster'.

Torn hamstrings are nothing. Not when you can go back and get the proper care at the Botswana National Instititue of Pedepobettic Sports Medicine.

I predicted when he fell down clutching his hamstring like it had been severed in half that he would be back in 3 weeks running 1:40, and he would have if he hadn't gone out a little too fast.

He was probably so pumped up with the juices flowing that he found it difficult to actually run slower than 48 seconds in the first lap.

You take masking agents also but you know the half lives of the drugs you've taken, so if a tester turns up when you know you'd test positive you just dodge it. If they turn up outside your glowing window you take the test and pass. You'd have to be unlucky for them to turn up three times when you are in your hot window.

Go on, admit it. You miss ventolin and the long discussions on splits and extra meters ran on the final bend. ;)

Bad Wigins wrote:

Yes, congrats Donavan Brazier new AR holder.

Johnny Gray would like a word with you.

Don't worry, it won't take long. About 1 tenth of a second.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Wycliffe Kinyamal ran the last 100m in 17.3 and the last 200m in 31.5...poor b@stard.

It looked to me like Amos was gunning for the WR, or at least a PB (under 1:41.73), which is crazy to me given how last we saw him he was clutching his hamstring in pain. I guess it was just a cramp as opposed to a Kevin Durant situation. Somebody mentioned his 44.99 400 as evidence of his health, but that mark predated his injury st the London DL.

Brazier outraced Amos today and is almost certainly in AR shape, but I’d still put Amos at #1 on the season thus far, and think he’ll be tough at world’s in a race that goes out more conservatively.

Did you not watch the race? Kinyamal pulled his hamstring, limped it home and fell at the finish line.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Or just this:

https://zurich.diamondleague.com/live/libs/jetuniversalcomponents/modules/pdfViewer/viewer.html?file=https://livecache.sportresult.com/node/binaryData/ATH_PROD/ZURICH2019/PDF_ARE0110040.PDF?h=KtzAJous+L7tw1eRqlArfwlw5Ws=

Great! Thanks for that. I did look for something like this on the Zurich site, but couldn't find anything!

They have rounded everything up to next tenth, and I'm surprised Murphy was 2.4 secs behind the pacer (making Brazier 2.6 behind at bell) as at several markers on the straight between 40 and 45 secs, the gap is between 1.8secs and 2.1secs, but obviously the gap grew more approaching the bell.

Cheers.

LOL. No! Definitely not! He was bonkers and very rude. I don't miss him a jot.

Bad Wigins wrote:

I just watched this, and the real story here by far is that Amos went out with the pacemaker in 48 low and didn't fall on his face.

Midway through turn four he was already arm-flailing and somehow still holds it together well enough to collect yet another 1:42. This is up there with Kipketer's most lopsided 1:41. The amount of acid Amos was suffering from would have felled ten California redwoods, but he stayed upright and running.

Yes, congrats Donavan Brazier new AR holder. But let's be real - Amos gets paced through 49.0 or anything slower, don't even. Nobody passes him. Dude is on a whole nuther level than America.

I respectfully disagree. Kipketer went through in 48.4 in that 1:41.2 Zurich WR, the same as Amos. Their 600m splits were also very similar. That means Amos lost 1.7secs on Kipketer over the last 200m, which tells me he is not in 1:41 shape.

I think Brazier is the one to beat in Doha, where I doubt Amos will risk going out in c. 49 secs after this defeat; it will play on his mind that it might happen again. Brazier is a more versatile racer imo, and looks like he now has the weapons to win in any sort of race, barring a tactical blunder. He should be in 1:42 low form by Doha.

I am very surprised that Amos ran like this after a supposed period out with an injury. It would appear to suggest he thought he was in pb shape!? I wonder if he's avoided any more testers as he has in the past?

One the strengths Amos has is his viper like kick in the last 100 m. He had not raced for a month so not surprising he tied up off such a fast pace. Amazing splits though from Nigel. 48.4 at 400 m and 1.14.4 at 600 m even 135.0 at 750 m. Rudisha for his 1.40.91 WR was 49.28 and 1.14.3. The great Kipketer for his 1.41.11 WR was 49.3 and 1.14.6. Both 26.5 last 200 m. Nigel was 28.5 last 200 m having not raced for 5 weeks so with another race or 2 that can become 26,5 as well. No more races left on the calendar though until Doha unfortunately.