Jamaican Star Briana Williams Bad news.

Clown show is right. She/her team is either full of shiit, or colossally stupid.

17 is still young, trusting, and possibly stupid. IMO the sanctions should be that her coach not be allowed to have any direct or indirect contact with her for a 4-year period (contract terminated), and that she receive counseling and education on the position she is in, and how to handle grown-up issues and people much older than herself, as a young person.

As a matter of fact, such lessons should be mandatory before minors are permitted to compete under sponsorship or under other contract.

She personally should be given the strongest of warnings and be told that a 2-yr suspension possible now will be stayed for now, but will be added to any sanctions she may receive in the future.

No, IDK if coaches have to register and if/how they are licensed. Such terms should be written into the athlete’s conditions of competition, and be incorporated by reference into every coaching and management contract.

????????? The medication she took didn't have the substance on the label and has been independently verified to have been contaminated with it. It as no performance enhancing effect. Why in hell should she be banned?

polevaultpower wrote:

Lesson learned for American athletes, don't buy medicine internationally

In this case they didn't need to learn as they already knew.

Dopers Rule No.1, always have an excuse ready just in case.

The fact there are idiots on here that believe a genuine mistake was made is beyond ridiculous. FFS, without actually bashing someone around the head with an iron bar what other steps could be taken to make some realise what they should or shouldn't be doing when it comes to PEDS? Answer, none, because they know/knew, it couldn't be made any clearer, anyone even slightly involved with T&F or having just a slight interest knows, the anti-doping authorities couldn't make it any clearer.

gfgfgfd wrote:

????????? The medication she took didn't have the substance on the label and has been independently verified to have been contaminated with it. It as no performance enhancing effect. Why in hell should she be banned?

A simple Google search would have answered that for you.

"Diuretics: Not performance-enhancing drugs on their own, but used to get rid of the traces of other drugs. Diuretics increase the production of urine, and some athletes use them to try to flush out residue from steroids."

Come on man, this is a lame excuse, do people believe this crap?

Next thing you'll tell me is that Nick Saban brought in Ray Rice to teach his players how to treat women.

semenyagoat wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Hopefully you realize this is a child.

I seriously doubt someone would be doping at 17 especially someone who has been breaking records since they entered the sport and . Also, I doubt Ato would risk his career by doping a 17 year old. Athletes in all sports have been known to use substances to lose water weight, albiet, dopers have been know to use diuretics to flush their system as well. Athletes are human and humans make legitimate mistakes.

The doping apologists are out in force I see. What does age have to do with anything? You can be murderer or a thief while being a child. Why not a doper? track coaches in the usa seem to be really dumb. No wonder the usa sucks in distance running and only wins sprints because of structured doping

A few things:

1. I am by no means an apologist; I just don't think this athlete is doping. A very talented 17-year-old gets the benefit of the doubt from me. I could be wrong but I just can't see this girl doping at the start of her career. I have a suspicion Briana did what I have seen several young female athletes do on their own, which takes a diuretic to counteract menstrual bloating,

2. re: "track coaches in the usa seem to be really dumb" - I am not sure what you mean by this. The majority of high school coaches have a college degree and the majority college and professional coaches have an advanced degree. The majority of running/t&f books are written by U.S. coaches and USATF is only one of a couple of federations that have a formal education process.

3, re: "the usa sucks in distance running" - In the last World Championship, the USA finished behind only Kenya and Ethiopia in events over 400 meters.

4. re: "the usa only wins sprints because of structured doping" - It would be difficult to have any type of structured doping program when there is not much structure to the USA athletics. Athletes and teams are scattered all over the U.S. and only come together for national championships. Even after a national team is chosen, athletes and coaches go their own way. You can't structure doping when athletes and coaches only see each other at competitions.

It is understandable to disagree with me about whether or not Brianna is clean or dirty, but don't just spout untruths and basically nonsense. Also, keep in mind that Brianna is a Jamaican athlete and I have been quite vocal about my thoughts on the cleanliness of Jamaican athletes.

you can say whatever you want. doping coach of Justin gatlin is going strong and getting athletes send from nike. If that's not structured doping I am trump. Anything else you say is such void because you have your head in the sand or you are a doper yourself to defend those practices

There is a huge difference between missing drug tests and testing positive.

I go to bat for Christian, because of the actions that took place for the third testing, and it wasn't an action of dodging. So there is an immense amount of reasonable doubt in that situation. Had Christian tested positive, then that would have been an entirely different circumstance.

However, to test positive for a diuretic that is used by people with hypertension, it is really difficult for something like that to be excused. The substance causes vessels to widen, and the body to remove extra fluid. Why would a substance like that be in a substance or solution for cold medicine? Cold medicine does not consist of a diuretic.

And if they are claiming that the cold medicine was contaminated, then how can that be proved? How do we know she didn't put the substance in the medicine to support her argument? Also, were other bottles tested or was it allegedly that one bottle?

Either way it goes, the rules are firm on that situation, unless it is clearly proven that there are several bottles of the medicine that are contaminated. Why would only one bottle be contaminated, but the rest are not? If there are other bottles that are contaminated., then that would be great evidence or enough to clear her.

Unfortunately, when a person tests positive, my perception is that he/she is guilty until proven innocent.

So, she must be the only person that improved his PB (and made a WYR in the process) while taking flu/pharma cold medication THE DAY OF THE RACE. If she had not been sick, could have run what?

No. I'm not buying the "Im too young, too naive" excuse.

Zenk wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Jakob Ingebrigtsen just liked her August 20 IAAF Gen10 post on Instagram, WTF?

If I were 19 and saw her picture, yeah, that's a 'like'. No reason for it to be any deeper than that.

No you're completely wrong there zenk. Jakob only likes posts from family members, sponsors, events he is being paid to run in, posts by Elizabeth and her best friends and fellow Norwegian athletes like Warholm.

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Jakob Ingebrigtsen just liked her August 20 IAAF Gen10 post on Instagram, WTF?

Quick make a thread about your rock-solid deductions!

You moron. He goes and likes a post on her from a week ago, just hours after she gets busted for doping. Makes no sense.

this line of thinking is exactly why it's so much better for Coleman to abuse the whereabouts system and dodge tests rather than risk a positive. missing 20% of your tests in a year is a lot. i wonder how many he has missed in total throughout his career?

no athlete is stupid enough to have drugs in their system 365 days a year so its a matter of when you get tested not how often.

0/10 ?(and you call yourself a track coach. Lol).

If she was a Russian, Kenyan or Ethiopian you wouldn't be saying that. Why does Jamaicans all of a sudden get the "benefit of the doubt" and yet we throw turds at the Russians, Kenyans & Ethiopians over any doping allegation?

He didn’t dodge the third test. Tester refused to wait for him outside of the 1 hour window. Even though testers have waited for athletes before and even went to other locations when the athlete wasn’t at the listed location. A question of standards as well, since some testers do different actions,

There is a lot of reasonable doubt with that, and the arguments go back and forth about it, which is the reasonable doubt!

Had that been a clear missed test, and we don’t know the reason behind the first 2 missed tests, then I would say that’s a clear cut case of dodging.

We will never know. But the doubt is very high.

But with Brianna. Other bottles of the same substance must be contaminated as well. Doubt of her cheating would be high. But if it is just one bottle that is contaminated? I would have to rule against her and go with the letter of the law

Subway Surfers wrote:

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

Quick make a thread about your rock-solid deductions!

You moron. He goes and likes a post on her from a week ago, just hours after she gets busted for doping. Makes no sense.

But what does it all mean!?! It must be a public doping confession! I’m just a moran but you have the inside scoop! ?️‍♂️

What are the other nobodies saying!!?

Also it’s not pathetic af that you noticed this in the first place.

funny stuff wrote:

Come on man, this is a lame excuse, do people believe this crap?

Next thing you'll tell me is that Nick Saban brought in Ray Rice to teach his players how to treat women.

These people probably also believe that Fatima Yvelain really ran through an EPO-filled puddle, lol.

TrackCoach wrote:

I have a suspicion...

So you don't think she's doping but you "have a suspicion Briana did what I have seen several young female athletes do on their own, which takes a diuretic to counteract menstrual bloating".

How do know she or the others you've seen aren't doping?

Do you actually think they don't know they're banned?

Do you counsel them on their misuse?

Do you ask them if they're taking the diuretics for masking PED use?

Do you believe what they tell you?

Do you report them?

Doping can be found in college athletes and masters athletes - in fact anywhere. There is little that is surprising about a 17 year old doping in a professional environment where sporting success means everything.

As for the argument regarding CC, that 3 missed tests isn't the same as testing positive, the anti-doping authorities clearly don't take that view. For good reason. Athletes have obligations, and if they disregard them - carelessly or otherwise - they know the consequences. But everybody - including the athletes - knows it isn't "careless" - it's simply ducking the testers.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Doping can be found in college athletes and masters athletes - in fact anywhere. There is little that is surprising about a 17 year old doping in a professional environment where sporting success means everything]/b].

More importantly social media is the be all and end all for teenage girls, to point where some will go to any lengths, be it sporting endeavours or many other things.