Sage 2nd at Pikes Peak!

So, let's see, 1st and 2nd eat....NO....MEAT. (Sage a definite vegan, and Killian says now he consumes "no meat or milk" and has been 99% vegetarian for awhile).

How is this possible YMMV? Shouldn't they be crashing and burning now after long successful careers of hard training and racing....shouldn't their high carb/no meat/vegetarian/vegan diet be KILLING them by now?

Please explain how this is possible despite your constant protestations that such a diet is unsustainable for top athletes/distance runners.

Thx!

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

So, let's see, 1st and 2nd eat....NO....MEAT. (Sage a definite vegan, and Killian says now he consumes "no meat or milk" and has been 99% vegetarian for awhile).

How is this possible YMMV? Shouldn't they be crashing and burning now after long successful careers of hard training and racing....shouldn't their high carb/no meat/vegetarian/vegan diet be KILLING them by now?

Please explain how this is possible despite your constant protestations that such a diet is unsustainable for top athletes/distance runners.

Thx!

Don't forget Jim Walmsley is a vegetarian too. Thought I'd mention it since so many people here seem to idolize him.

I haven't thought of Chuck Smead in decades. Thanks for mentioning him. Brings back a good number of old memories. He was a terrific runner.

Chuck Smead was so awesome. Definitely a pioneer.

And better yet, he still competes at a very high level.

I think he won the 65-69 title at XC championships earlier this year.

And he has the 60-64 Course Record on the Pikes Peak Ascent!

pnw_runner wrote:

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

So, let's see, 1st and 2nd eat....NO....MEAT. (Sage a definite vegan, and Killian says now he consumes "no meat or milk" and has been 99% vegetarian for awhile).

How is this possible YMMV? Shouldn't they be crashing and burning now after long successful careers of hard training and racing....shouldn't their high carb/no meat/vegetarian/vegan diet be KILLING them by now?

Please explain how this is possible despite your constant protestations that such a diet is unsustainable for top athletes/distance runners.

Thx!

Don't forget Jim Walmsley is a vegetarian too. Thought I'd mention it since so many people here seem to idolize him.

Yes, great point, Jim also eats NO meat! And Kouros was pretty much a vegan. The GOAT. (But he ate no goat).

But all joking aside, this is the simple point: all these militant anti-Sage/Anti-vegetarian/Anti-Vegan/MUST-EAT-MEAT diet "experts" who claim that a no meat diet is inherently unhealthy and not good for runners/athletes, just need to see all the real life examples that prove them wrong. End of story. Now yes, on the flip side, one can certainly eat a lot of meat (as many athletes and runners do), and even eat a high fat diet and be very successful at athletics and long distance running (see: Zach Bitter).

So people have excelled off of different diets. This is very true, and interesting. But the railing against vegetarian and vegan diets as impossibly deficient for runners/athletes/overall health is just complete garbage and they know it. They just need to give it a rest already.

Sage can stay vegetarian until his dying day for all I care (and unfortunately I believe he will). I just won't stand for his continuous pontification on the supposed superiority of the animal-nutrient-free diet.

Good catch! Yes, I got Slander and Libel mixed up. Sorry. I'm not good with words (my SAT II Writing score was horrible and way lower than Math and Physics...hence why I got a BS in college and was originally admitted to the Engineering school at Cornell). If you're ever read my self published memoir "Running For The Hansons" you can see how bad my writing is. And I misread what this person wrote..they were obviously not talking about me (I thought he/she was due to my somewhat narcissistic personality). I was also reading comment(s) that I was a "fake vegan" and wanted to correct that at the same time. I made a mistake here and will own up to it. Okay, I gotta work on my new race report VLOG now! #plantpowered #carbup

Hey Sage, I'm glad you mentioned the book. Whenever I mail-order any books I alway ask if I can get it and am not too surprised mainstream book outlets don't carry it. Too my credit and yours, I do ask!

So I've been thinking for a while I should just get one from you. That may be the only way anyway. Please tell me and everyone else reading this how to get it. I've really been wondering about it for a while now, so I'd like to check it out! Thanks......

Sage Fan wrote:

Hey Sage, I'm glad you mentioned the book. Whenever I mail-order any books I alway ask if I can get it and am not too surprised mainstream book outlets don't carry it. Too my credit and yours, I do ask!

So I've been thinking for a while I should just get one from you. That may be the only way anyway. Please tell me and everyone else reading this how to get it. I've really been wondering about it for a while now, so I'd like to check it out! Thanks......

It's on Amazon:

S. Canaday wrote:

The truth is this: I was born and raised vegetarian. For the past 4-5 years I've been about 99% vegan I'd say. I say 99% because sometimes I eat honey and when I travel (mainly) sometimes I will eat a dessert (that probably has eggs/butter or milk etc) or try something like fondue/cheese in France etc. But I'm definitely quite plant based and I certainly do not eat meat. If I ever "cheat on the vegan diet" it is going to be something that might have eggs/dairy in it.

What a depressingly sad, strange, and ridiculous fetish. A food fetish disguised as "healthy eating", why? So you can feel superior to other people,who don't have hang ups about their diet? Absolutely stupid.

S. Canaday wrote:

And I misread what this person wrote..they were obviously not talking about me (I thought he/she was due to my somewhat narcissistic personality).

Sums up vegans.

What a disgusting forum this is. Here you have a successful person who's better at running than 99% of the people here, and who from his videos seems like a genuinely nice person. And all you can do is badmouth and troll him?

Seriously what is wrong with you people? Are you so full of hatred that you can't do anything better with your time?

Who cares if he's vegan or not? I watched maybe up to a hundred of his videos and never felt that he was preaching about his diet being superior to others'

yuck wrote:

Here you have a successful person who's better at running than 99% of the people here,

Some of the most stupid logic I see here on letsrun, "oh because you're not as fast as him you can't criticize him". That's not how it works. No one outside of letsrun, talks about sports/athletes like this.

There's a difference between criticizing someone and mocking, making fun of someone. Random comments from this thread:

This guy ran a 2:15 and people think that's notable? Or is this a joke thread?

this malnourished chode

Probably Sage is another fake vegan.

Sage's career is at steak

All these experts posting... is really just one guy. YMMV. For some reason he is really hung up on this and his favorite thing to do is post about it on sage threads.

S. Canaday wrote:

The human body can really thrive on a plant-based diet. All you have to do is look at the essential vitamins and nutrients and amino acids/fatty acids the human body needs and make sure you are getting in complete and well rounded meals. Yes, I take vitamins/minerals like B12 and iron sometimes of course. A lot of top athletes do regardless of diet.

"Yes the body can thrive on a plant-based diet. Now let me tell you about the industrial supplements I have to take because they're lacking in my plant-based diet!"

Hmmmmm........... Remind me, what does the diet of a legit marathoner look like?

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

So, let's see, 1st and 2nd eat....NO....MEAT. (Sage a definite vegan, and Killian says now he consumes "no meat or milk" and has been 99% vegetarian for awhile).

How is this possible YMMV? Shouldn't they be crashing and burning now after long successful careers of hard training and racing....shouldn't their high carb/no meat/vegetarian/vegan diet be KILLING them by now?

Please explain how this is possible despite your constant protestations that such a diet is unsustainable for top athletes/distance runners.

Thx!

These aren't top distance runners!

Sage and Killian have zero - ZERO - credentials in the "big four" arenas of running -- outdoor track, indoor track, cross-country, road racing. None whatsoever.

Where they do succeed is in these contrived Mickey Mouse country club events that no one actually participates in. These are D-list competitions for those who can't run a legitimate marathon to save their lives. Look at Sage's attempts at an actual road marathon, and prepare to cringe.

Everything these people do is performative and showy: the fad diets, the eXtReMe races, the endless Instagram posts. It's narcissism all the way down.

Adol C wrote:

Where they do succeed is in these contrived Mickey Mouse country club events that no one actually participates in.

Agreed, get some of those Ugandan mountain runners into MUT and they would crush it.

S. Canaday wrote:

The human body can really thrive on a plant-based diet.