*Official* G-MAC xc 2019 thread

This is a smattering of information, including bits about summer training and such. how credible is any of it? Interesting none-the-less. Be honest, Walsh and Malone will be competing for the win once again. It would take a miracle for any other team to beat BOTH of them. Sure, either Malone or Walsh might have a bad day when it comes to the conference race, but the chances that both suck and Cedarville or Hillsdale nab the win are slim to none. Really, the only interesting discussion point is the Walsh-Malone rivalry. My pick is Malone with Frasenko leading the way.

This thread is always a non-starter. You can only talk about Walsh or Malone for so long. Both recruit very well from the strong Northeast Ohio region. Malone will be the better squad, but at some point (usually, an important point) they will turn the latent ethos of "headcase syndrome" will come through, they will choke, and Walsh will beat them. People who do things like train at altitude suddenly think they are professional runners and that running is a fundamental part of their identity as a human being. In contrast, Walsh puts in work, doesn't look as pretty, but gets the job done.

Cedarville will look relatively scary, but never actually do anything. You can only get so far with a pack of 15:40 guys. This worked when real teams weren't in the G-MAC, doesn't now.

Hillsdale has a few good guys, but seriously lack depth. They don't seem to even try in recruiting anymore. A team who used to pull in 415 guys on an annual basis now celebrates a class of guys 20 seconds slower. Really hard to have a serious program with 16:25 guys.

After this, the rest of the conference should move to the NAIA. Findlay has the resources, so maybe with the right coach they will be solid one day.

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This thread is always a non-starter. You can only talk about Walsh or Malone for so long. Both recruit very well from the strong Northeast Ohio region. Malone will be the better squad, but at some point (usually, an important point) they will turn the latent ethos of "headcase syndrome" will come through, they will choke, and Walsh will beat them..

This post focusses heavily on recruitment. This is my take on it.

I disagree with the OP's assessment of Cedarville's 2022 class. They're very strong, on par with Walsh. If anything, Malone had the weakest class. Cedarville brought in 3 notable runners, Cross from out in Oregon (15:47), Kelly from Mason, OH (9:24 in the 3200) and his Mason HS teammate Killion (4:24 1600), who isnt stellar, but solid and helps their middle distance which has been lacking. Cedarville has a shot at the championship. In comparison, Malone's 2022 recruiting class is objectively very poor. They bring in 7, all from Ohio. The best marks come from Chase Harbaugh of Copely, but from what I saw at various HS meets, he's not a true distance runner. The rest of their freshman are running 4:30 or slower. Is it time for Hazely to expand his recruiting net?

I ran for 3 seasons at Walsh in the 90's and would be interested to see how the coaches navigate Ohio recruitment. I'm sure they're constantly fighting over top recruits. Plus, there's relatively few good D1 programs in Ohio, so its ripe pickings for the D2 schools. That region turns out a lot of highschool talent and the Canton schools seem to pick up most of it. This is conjecture, but Cedarville may have more appeals to out of state runners, since it is a widely known Evangelical school. Same with Hillsdale as the "Harvard of Conservatives." Just look at Hillsdale's roster, they've got kids from all over, NJ, Idaho, New Mexico, you name it.

This year will prove to be another great battle for D2 Ohio dominance

"will this be the final nail in the GLIAC coffin?"

Doubtful on that...the top-3 GLIAC teams would roll any GMAC team this fall.

Obvious Malone post is obvious

USTFCCA region rankings came out today, very relevant to the GMAC discussion. Once again Southern Indy is way overrated. But worst of all, they stuck Wayne State and Illinois Springfield in front of Malone and Hillsdale. I know these teams underperformed at regionals last year but was that their only consideration??

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I'm picking Cedarville over Malone and Walsh after seeing who they brought in. I know the Cedarville distance coach and can tell you they train on their home XC course for all workouts. The least impressive recruiting class? Cmon now. They got some good cross country runners.

Malone used to go to Mammoth over 10 years ago then I think because of budget issues they stopped going? They have a solid 3. They did choke hard at Regional. I've said last year that their times for dominating small schools in Ohio are over for now. It doesn't surprise me they didn't do well in recruiting. Their school is in very very rough financial shape. Almost every high school coach in the Stark Summit area including myself is aware that Malone might not be around much longer. They cut their football program because they are in a VERY deep hole.

Sidenote: Findlay ? They have a 7man roster....

-JT

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2)- No one wants a whiny little b*tch but here you are

Why does it matter that Cedarville works out on their course? Nothing special about that. Cedarville doesn't have an especially tough course, just rolling hills. Hillsdale works out on their course (the one used for regionals 2018) which is basically one giant hill but no one is predicting them to win based on that... Provide some evidence that Cedarville's workouts are going to prepare them for the championship. Sure didnt seem to work for their top man, Sully, last year.

Don't sleep on Findlay, brother. Check out the comment above. They have the resources, just need a program coach. Their current coach drives 1.75 hrs to practice each day. Can't develop a team without a committed coach.

No one is counting Findlay in. If Eric Wyner is driving from Canton to Findlay everyday Ill give him street Cred. I heard at the Gmac meet a year ago he was sleeping with one of the Malone athletes while he was their Graduate Assistant. That dirty dog. That bible thumping coaching staff must have been proud.

Good luck to all this season. And remember it’s Ya Boi Bill Nye

YaBoiBillNye wrote:

No one is counting Findlay in. If Eric Wyner is driving from Canton to Findlay everyday Ill give him street Cred. I heard at the Gmac meet a year ago he was sleeping with one of the Malone athletes while he was their Graduate Assistant. That dirty dog. That bible thumping coaching staff must have been proud.

Good luck to all this season. And remember it’s Ya Boi Bill Nye

Wyner is holding Findlay back. Once they get a competent coach, they will be a top 10 team nationally in Cross. Year in and out. They already are in the rest of the track events (sprints, throws, etc.) and have the resources (blue collar town, nice athletic facilities) to make this jump. Bottom line, he's dropping the ball and the rest of the conference should be at their mercy that they intentionally hold the distance side back by employing Malone's scraps.

Looks like all 4 front-runner teams will be opening up this weekend.

Malone and Walsh at Tommy Evans in Akron, and Cedarville at Indiana Wesleyan.

However, both Malone and Cedarville also have meets scheduled for the following week, Kutztown and the Cedarville Open. I would assume that they will run their top 7 this week, rest them the week of the 14th, then gear up for All-Ohios.

Hillsdale opens up at Calvin for a little D3 competition, interested to see how Humes does.

Any updates on whose healthy and whose not?

Sources say that David Magda, formerly of D&E, has enrolled in the MBA program at Cedarville and has one full year of eligibility remaining. This will add more depth to an already deep squad.

He’s not listed on the roster. If he is running cross it would be a big pick up.

Confirmed, David Magda will be on Cedarville's roster this year. He was training with the team yesterday. They're still working out his eligibility with the NCAA, but they're confident he'll get a redshirt from his sophomore year. He adds solid depth, probably their 3rd or 4th man, but maybe even better.

Cedarville ran well. If they get Magda running it will be a very nice addition.

Walsh had a nice 1-3 and their 4th and 5th were too far behind. If their 4th and 5th can close the gap they will be a very good squad.

Malone- I don't know what to say. Seems like a decent amount did not run? Fresenko ran poorly. Chapliks did not run.

If they are hurt it will be a long season.

-JT

Malone had a terrible showing! Perhaps the GMAC will see a new champion crowned this year? Hillsdale had a weak showing as well at Calvin. Besides Humes, where was the rest of their team? A 10th place finish in a not-so-stacked DIII field is embarrassing!

They didn’t run terrible but times were not good. Disappointed that Fresenko and The chapliks didn't run faster. Maybe a hard summer of training but they were studs in High School and should be running much faster. Malone seems to get 1 runner to do well every couple of years. Last year for track it was McCartney. It was Hannah Thompson the previous year. It would be nice if Dave could get them all in the same page. #LongRedLine

2017 Cedarville grad here. Can confirm.

Trevecca Nazarene got a stellar recruiting class and are meshing well as a team. If Appleby is out for much longer, that will hurt their chances at a nationals spot but I think they really could be the sleeper pick for both G-Mac and one of the regional at large spots. Go Trojans!