Timothy Cheruiyot Runs 1:43.11 800 pb!!! But don't hand him the gold quite yet..... (Manangoi is back in action)

S Maree wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

I still say any 3:28 guy who never ran 1:43 simply never tried. It's not the in thing like it was in the Coe/Cram/Aouita era, when every 3:29 guy would run 1:43.

Maree has a 1:48 PB, and he tried.

Maree never ran 3:28.

muchado wrote:

S Maree wrote:

Maree has a 1:48 PB, and he tried.

Maree never ran 3:28.

Yes - and ?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Elijah Manangoi 1:44.15 (1200) + 3:28.80 (1262) = 2462

Many thanks. I’ll update those 2 tomorrow! ?

seasoned ranker wrote:

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

Since we’re making outlandish comparisons, what 800m ability guarantees sub-3:29 performance by your calculation?

You didn't ask me, but I don't think that any 800m time would guarantee a sub 3:29 ability.

What is the fastest guaranteed 1500m performance that a 1:43 800m runner could throw down?

(For the record Wigins is fulla sht but let’s play his stupid game a for a little bit, shall we?)

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

You didn't ask me, but I don't think that any 800m time would guarantee a sub 3:29 ability.

What is the fastest guaranteed 1500m performance that a 1:43 800m runner could throw down?

(For the record Wigins is fulla sht but let’s play his stupid game a for a little bit, shall we?)

Doesn't work that way. A 3:28 pretty much guarantees a sub 1:44, not the other way around.

use your head wrote:

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

What is the fastest guaranteed 1500m performance that a 1:43 800m runner could throw down?

(For the record Wigins is fulla sht but let’s play his stupid game a for a little bit, shall we?)

Doesn't work that way. A 3:28 pretty much guarantees a sub 1:44, not the other way around.

... why? How can you be so sure “it” works at all if you can’t throw out a number?

seasoned ranker wrote:

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

Since we’re making outlandish comparisons, what 800m ability guarantees sub-3:29 performance by your calculation?

You didn't ask me, but I don't think that any 800m time would guarantee a sub 3:29 ability.

Actually a 1:30 800m runner is guaranteed to be able to run a 3:29 1500m. Take it to the bank.

use your head wrote:

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

You didn't ask me, but I don't think that any 800m time would guarantee a sub 3:29 ability.

What is the fastest guaranteed 1500m performance that a 1:43 800m runner could throw down?

(For the record Wigins is fulla sht but let’s play his stupid game a for a little bit, shall we?)

Doesn't work that way. A 3:28 pretty much guarantees a sub 1:44, not the other way around.[/quote]

Yep. A 3:28 guy is running basically running back to back 1:51 800ms. You aren't going to find guys running 800ms a mere 6s faster than 1500m pace. The endurance monsters will be at 7s and the rest at 8s. The marathon guy who might be able to run 6s off 800m pace isn't going to be running close to 3:28:) Mo Farah was a 3:29 guy with a 1:48 pr. But he was also a 3:38 runner at the time when he was running that time. Do you want to bet the training that took 9s off his 1500m time lowered his 800m time by a few seconds?

The outliers the other way (they guys that can run 1:44 but not break 3:40) have a much, much larger range.

Phantasy Star II wrote:

Hmmmm............. Consistently running sub-3:30 for the 1500 and now a 1:43. Remind anyone of a certain other Kenyan?

"Not really."

Well, "Not really."

terrencer wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

You didn't ask me, but I don't think that any 800m time would guarantee a sub 3:29 ability.

Actually a 1:30 800m runner is guaranteed to be able to run a 3:29 1500m. Take it to the bank.

Not so sure about that one

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

use your head wrote:

Doesn't work that way. A 3:28 pretty much guarantees a sub 1:44, not the other way around.

... why? How can you be so sure “it” works at all if you can’t throw out a number?

I did throw out a number you dumb*ss. The number is 1:43 for a 3:28 man.

Let me try explaining this to you again. If you run 3:28, it is highly likely you are capable of 1:43. If you run 1:43, that does not mean you are likely capable of 3:28. Get it now? Go look at the all-time lists for 800m and 1500m if you're still lost.

Just using my ? wrote:

terrencer wrote:

Actually a 1:30 800m runner is guaranteed to be able to run a 3:29 1500m. Take it to the bank.

Not so sure about that one

Well your uncertainty is due to ignorance. Somebody who can do 2 laps at 45 seconds per 400m can for sure do 3.75 laps at 55.7 per 400m.

It's great how obvious things turn contentious just because it's me that says them!

I never said 3:29 -> 1:43, but 3:28 pretty much has proven to in the real world. Plenty have done it, the rest didn't try hard.

I never said any 800 time -> 3:28. In fact most of the very best - Rudisha, Kipketer, Amos, Cruz, would have failed if they tried.

I think the times nuts!!! Only way I see Cheruiyot losing worlds (in 1500) is if he runs a stupid race...

How does the schedule look if he wants to double?

Bad Wigins wrote:

It's great how obvious things turn contentious just because it's me that says them!

I never said 3:29 -> 1:43, but 3:28 pretty much has proven to in the real world. Plenty have done it, the rest didn't try hard.

I never said any 800 time -> 3:28. In fact most of the very best - Rudisha, Kipketer, Amos, Cruz, would have failed if they tried.

The 400/800m type have an inefficient arm carry for 1500m. Too used to swinging their arms like a sprinter.

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

What is the fastest guaranteed 1500m performance that a 1:43 800m runner could throw down?

(For the record Wigins is fulla sht but let’s play his stupid game a for a little bit, shall we?)

This seemed to upset a lot of people because it wasn't the original intent of: if 3:28 then 1:43.

I rather like the question: If 1:43 then what minimum 1500m time? I'm going with 3:52.4 for someone like Juantorena.

jhand366 wrote:

I think the times nuts!!! Only way I see Cheruiyot losing worlds (in 1500) is if he runs a stupid race...

How does the schedule look if he wants to double?

He doesn't want to double

use your head wrote:

the hyena you’ll see wrote:

... why? How can you be so sure “it” works at all if you can’t throw out a number?

I did throw out a number you dumb*ss. The number is 1:43 for a 3:28 man.

Let me try explaining this to you again. If you run 3:28, it is highly likely you are capable of 1:43. If you run 1:43, that does not mean you are likely capable of 3:28. Get it now? Go look at the all-time lists for 800m and 1500m if you're still lost.

Totally agree. Although I’d say a 3:28 runner could run 1:44. It’s not a guarantee of 1:43 imo.

Phantasy Star II wrote:

Hmmmm............. Consistently running sub-3:30 for the 1500 and now a 1:43. Remind anyone of a certain other Kenyan?

"Not really."

EPO is a helluva drug.

While there's been guys capable of this who were clean, Cheruiyot isn't one of them. Only the most sissified brainwashed slaves to all that is PC believe otherwise. The folks behind allowing so many E. Africans will pay a lot of $$$ to keep this fraudster ahead oj Jakob and others.