Rhonex Kipruto and Hellen Obiri are beaten at Kenyan 10,000 Trials - Kamworor and Tirop FTW

Rhonex Kipruto said about his tactis in runnersworld

He says his favorite tactic is to wait until halfway, and then push.

I would say that it isn't very tactical

toomanyspikes wrote:

doot doot wrote:

What a contrast from Ethiopia’s qualifier.

Presumably a more tactical affair at altitude in Nairobi versus a substantial negative split exhibition in Hengelo.

27:24 at altitude is not quite what I would consider tactical.

In true Kenyan fashion there is no footage of the event so I’m not going to put a ton of stock in altitude conversions when there are semi-routine threads about Kenyan Championship performances where times are pretty analogous to other locations.

The fact that front runnin’ Kipruto, with a season/personal best of 26:50 lost to Kamworor, who has only run 27:50 this year with a long absence from the track doesn’t really scream time trial to me, but to each their own. How many times have people claimed that Kamworor was the Kenyan heir-apparent at 10,000m then critique his “shortcomings?” Kipruto is going to be in a world of hurt in Doha if this wasn’t tactical...

Wednesday Clue Bird wrote:

Umm how about 26:30 ; the guy is fit

Umm how about no? None of those guys can run 26:30.

PrZ wrote:

Wednesday Clue Bird wrote:

Umm how about 26:30 ; the guy is fit

Umm how about no? None of those guys can run 26:30.

Have you seen the Prague 10k? Rhonex rub 26:46 on a hilly course. How fast could he ran if it was fast paced run at low altitude like Hengelo

Alll wrote:

PrZ wrote:

Umm how about no? None of those guys can run 26:30.

Have you seen the Prague 10k? Rhonex rub 26:46 on a hilly course. How fast could he ran if it was fast paced run at low altitude like Hengelo

That most certainly doesn’t indicate running 26:30 on the track. He ran 26:50 earlier this season in a paced race and only ran 13:07 at the London diamond league (26:30 = 13:15 twice; he’s not gonna run 26:30). I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit 26:40ish this season, but 26:30 is a range only a few people have ever been close to in history.

doot doot wrote:

quehoares wrote:

How are they in contrast to the Ethiopian qualifiers? Seem fairly similar to me.

Nothing at all stands out? Let me ask you how they seem “fairly similar” beyond the obvious fact that both groups are East African and both ran 10,000m?

Both had their stars qualify through in solid times?

westsouthrunner wrote:

doot doot wrote:

Nothing at all stands out? Let me ask you how they seem “fairly similar” beyond the obvious fact that both groups are East African and both ran 10,000m?

In Contrast probably refers to the one 10k with 7 sub 27 performances. Seems like some contrast to me

The times are very comparable considering the altitude. That's not a contrast at all.

For each man under 26:30 everyone under the threshold would earn a bonus. I like that idea. Maybe an additional bonus given for laps lead among the lead group within a specific range or based on consistency— paid to those who get under the threshold. Extra bonus for those under the existing WR.

Someone get ahold of John Legere.

Edwin Soi is a name that rolls back the clock! Guy has been on the scene for 15+ years now!

How many of these Kenyans will be caught doping in one year time? 50% or more?

Nah I couldn't see this happening. idk what the #10 time is but they could maybe get one or two under 26:40 .

westsouthrunner wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’ve always believed that far more athletes have been capable of 26:30.xx or better than the 5 who have actually recorded that mark. #4 & #5 all-time are Nicholas Kemboi (13:01 5k, 26:30.03, 60:27 HM) and Abebe Dinkesa (12:55 5k, 26:30.74, 60:03 HM), neither exactly world beaters but athletes who had the rare opportunity to chase someone running sub-26:30 for a full 10k.

If Kejelcha, Gebrhiwet, Barega, Kipruto, Kamworor, Cheptegei, Kiplimo, etc. were somehow incentivized purely to work together to rewrite the 10k top-list, on a calm 60 degree night, with a couple truly elite runners in their own right pacing them for 6-7k at 2:39, they’d probably put 5 in the AT top-10 with a couple/3 sub-26:30s, and that’s just this year.

Nah I couldn't see this happening. idk what the #10 time is but they could maybe get one or two under 26:40 .

The #10 time is 26:31 by Geb.

You saw the Ethiopian results from Hengelo, right? #33, 39, 45 (a debut...), 78, 85, 94, etc. all time...

There have been faster races with faster fields, but not many and definitely not recently.

Alll wrote:

Rhonex Kipruto said about his tactis in runnersworld

He says his favorite tactic is to wait until halfway, and then push.

I would say that it isn't very tactical

Hicham tactics was to have his fellow country man to pace him to a fast time. People for whatever reason think tactics = slow. But if your strength is to time trial, run fast.

PrZ wrote:

Alll wrote:

Have you seen the Prague 10k? Rhonex rub 26:46 on a hilly course. How fast could he ran if it was fast paced run at low altitude like Hengelo

That most certainly doesn’t indicate running 26:30 on the track. He ran 26:50 earlier this season in a paced race and only ran 13:07 at the London diamond league (26:30 = 13:15 twice; he’s not gonna run 26:30). I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit 26:40ish this season, but 26:30 is a range only a few people have ever been close to in history.

How are you this stupid? When Rhonex ran 26:50 in terrible conditions in Stockholm, he took the lead after 4200m and maintained it until the finish. He dropped Gebrhiwet with ~1000m to go and closed in 60 seconds over the last 400m. The 5000m in London was tactical. Rhonex hit the bell in 12:09 and still managed to run 13:07. He simply doesn't have the finishing speed like some of the other guys. The fact you think 13:07 is indicative of his ability over 5000m shows you know very little about the sport.