Do you think it’s better to do speed work directly after a threshold e.g 6 mile threshold followed by 5 x 200 or do it maybe 6 hours after as sort of a double session day
Do you think it’s better to do speed work directly after a threshold e.g 6 mile threshold followed by 5 x 200 or do it maybe 6 hours after as sort of a double session day
Directly after. I thinking teaching your body to sprint when you are tired is key in developing a kick. I’m not a fan of stand alone speed workouts.
citius5000 wrote:
Directly after. I thinking teaching your body to sprint when you are tired is key in developing a kick. I’m not a fan of stand alone speed workouts.
The problem is few understand the difference between speed development, specific speed endurance, and speed endurance. More coaches need to know these terms and believe in them.
Of course some talented kids can still succeed if the coach does not believe or know the difference.
But I feel sorry for the average kid who has a coach who does not understand what can happen to
the average kid when you overwork some areas and neglect other important principals.
Kickapoo wrote:
citius5000 wrote:
Directly after. I thinking teaching your body to sprint when you are tired is key in developing a kick. I’m not a fan of stand alone speed workouts.
The problem is few understand the difference between speed development, specific speed endurance, and speed endurance. More coaches need to know these terms and believe in them.
Of course some talented kids can still succeed if the coach does not believe or know the difference.
But I feel sorry for the average kid who has a coach who does not understand what can happen to
the average kid when you overwork some areas and neglect other important principals.
What are example of the three?
Kickapoo wrote:
citius5000 wrote:
Directly after. I thinking teaching your body to sprint when you are tired is key in developing a kick. I’m not a fan of stand alone speed workouts.
The problem is few understand the difference between speed development, specific speed endurance, and speed endurance. More coaches need to know these terms and believe in them.
Of course some talented kids can still succeed if the coach does not believe or know the difference.
But I feel sorry for the average kid who has a coach who does not understand what can happen to
the average kid when you overwork some areas and neglect other important principals.
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citius5000 wrote:
Directly after. I thinking teaching your body to sprint when you are tired is key in developing a kick. I’m not a fan of stand alone speed workouts.
This. Doing a second session in the evening where you just warm up a bit with easy jogging and going straight into speedwork is asking for injury or problems.
See the threshold/CV as way to warm-up your muscles and body for the harder, intense running that follows after. Almost impossible to get injured if you do it that way.
Additionally, as citius said you want to do the faster reps on tired legs and with some CNS fatigue. You won't have fresh legs in a race when the kick starts either!
yes, phil is right that the body is better prepared for fast stuff after some threshold work. there is just one question to be answered: what is the purpose of the session? possible answers:
1. aerobic development. in this case the focus is on the threshold run/intervals with some speed added to work on your final kick and to learn how to run fast when tired. not to forget that some strides after the main session help to loosen up the muscles.
2. speed work. the focus is on whatever follows after the threshold work. in this case the volume of the threshold run/intervals is really limited and prepares the body for the purpose of the session (i.e. speed work). a pretty long rest follows after the first part to ensure sufficient recovery for the important second part, the speed work. now it depends on what you want to train. race specific speed work at race pace (800m runners for example 8x200m/1min rest at 800m race pace) or very short all out sprints to develop top speed (for example flying 30m sprints with full recovery of at least 6min).
almost needless to mention that i am talking only about middle or long distance runners. true 400m/800m guys might prefer to warm up properly (no threshold runs!) with warm up jog, tons of plyos and strides, because they concentrate on the speed work after the warmup. they do some cruise intervals on others days without something else to get some aerobic stuff done.
Tempin wrote:
Do you think it’s better to do speed work directly after a threshold e.g 6 mile threshold followed by 5 x 200 or do it maybe 6 hours after as sort of a double session day
Take a set recovery then right into speed work. If I’m spent after a threshold to the point my mechanics aren’t up to snuff (greater risk of injury IMO) I will opt for 6-8 roughly 100m steep hill reps at near max effort with nearly full recovery. Or I’ll do 150-200m AND finish with the hard hill effort if I’m dialed.
Muscle recruitment and form maintenance under fatigue are very important.
Mr. Call You Out wrote:
Kickapoo wrote:
The problem is few understand the difference between speed development, specific speed endurance, and speed endurance. More coaches need to know these terms and believe in them.
Of course some talented kids can still succeed if the coach does not believe or know the difference.
But I feel sorry for the average kid who has a coach who does not understand what can happen to
the average kid when you overwork some areas and neglect other important principals.
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Ehhh... I think he’s trying to echo Canova without actually explaining anything...
Oh, I agree.
Kickapoo wrote:
citius5000 wrote:
Directly after. I thinking teaching your body to sprint when you are tired is key in developing a kick. I’m not a fan of stand alone speed workouts.
The problem is few understand the difference between speed development, specific speed endurance, and speed endurance. More coaches need to know these terms and believe in them.
Of course some talented kids can still succeed if the coach does not believe or know the difference.
But I feel sorry for the average kid who has a coach who does not understand what can happen to
the average kid when you overwork some areas and neglect other important principals.
Citius may know a lot about training for distance running. I have a problem though with statements that
it's just about grinding. Those philosophies are the reason why so many high school kids are not making it
in college or after college.