Caster Semenya admits she has an advantage, but dismisses it by adding "so what?"

Interesting that he almost admits it.

StopMisgenerdingPeople wrote:

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It is generally accepted practice in English that pronouns refer to a person's gender, not their biological sex. .

I think ever identified the real problem here. Thanks.

*I think you've

Thanks again.

Vancomycin wrote:

ANYONE who claims that sex chromosome karyotype determines male/female status cannot comment on Semenya threads. You can be XY and be 100% phenotypically female and be XX and be 100% phenotypically male. Yes, these cases are rare but they are important for defining classification. If chromosomes were the end-all-be-all this issue would've been sorted 10 years.

Could Semenya father a child? I believe he could, at least if there was surgery to descend the testes, so the temperature would be right for semen production. So this would make him male, no? I think it is ridiculous to consider Semenya a female, because there is no possibility at all of him giving birth to a child.

What if a guy was 9 feet tall, he wouldn't be allowed to play in the NBA?

Just be done with it. There are all males, all females and there shall be "its" for anything else!

Slow can't be fast, short can't be tall, small can't be big, dumb can't be clever - the list goes on. Why is it only in the world of modern-day "gender" that you can apparently be the thing you are not, simply because you want to be?

StopMisgenerdingPeople wrote:

It is generally accepted practice in English that pronouns refer to a person's gender, not their biological sex.

That there is any difference between the usage of "gender" and "sex" in common English usage is purely an invention of those who wanted there to be, and a practice of those who have been manipulated into going along with it.

It's not what people mean, even if they currently have to say it. All of us know it, including you. People are lying to get along, not saying what they really think, even lying to themselves, but they won't do it forever. You can't legislate language or thought.

Bad Wigins wrote:

That there is any difference between the usage of "gender" and "sex" in common English usage is purely an invention of those who wanted there to be, and a practice of those who have been manipulated into going along with it.

It's not what people mean, even if they currently have to say it. All of us know it, including you. People are lying to get along, not saying what they really think, even lying to themselves, but they won't do it forever. You can't legislate language or thought.

I agree. In my language there is only one word for both gender and sex. In my opinion gender should be abolished, it no longer means anything if everyone is able to "identify" their gender as whatever they want. And pronouns should be based on a person's sex instead.

Gender identity is not as capricious as you seem to think. Just because someone identifies as a gender that isn't aligned with their sex doesn't mean they did so on a whim.

Perhaps the word "identified" implies more agency than is the reality for most people. Semenya "identifies" as a woman in the same way that you "identify" as a man or woman – it's not something you picked out of a hat, is it? Very few people claim that sex doesn't influence gender. It probably does, given that sex and gender are aligned for the majority of people. But it doesn't always align, and everyone deserves the privilege of having their gender acknowledged with appropriate pronouns.

Unfortunately, yes, that makes it trickier for people not up to speed with the sex/gender distinction to digest the legal and sporting issue at hand, but that doesn't strike me as a satisfactory reason for denying her basic dignity, especially given the repeated calls for it on this board by posters who simultaneously agree with the IAAF's decision.

Pookie Washington wrote:

Fogrunr wrote:

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I think Fogrunr just took an intellectual beating!

Compassionate hearts beat stronger

Compassionate minds are wiser

Aggression is no vision.

It weakens the heart's function and cripples the brain's ability to imagine.

If you focus on aggression, you entangle your heart and mind in aggression's net.

You make yourself unintelligent.

That is why the most aggressive people appear dumb, yet think they are smart.

An aggressive mind cannot even imagine the things that a compassionate mind easily sees.

Do not mimic the aggressive.

"The meek will inherit the Earth" is better understood as "the compassionate will have the hearts and minds to allow people to thrive in joy."

Acts rooted in true compassion resonate in human hearts designed by our Creator, in turn building Love's kingdom in our minds,

Fogrunr wrote:

Pookie Washington wrote:

I think Fogrunr just took an intellectual beating!

Compassionate hearts beat stronger

Compassionate minds are wiser

Aggression is no vision.

It weakens the heart's function and cripples the brain's ability to imagine.

If you focus on aggression, you entangle your heart and mind in aggression's net.

You make yourself unintelligent.

That is why the most aggressive people appear dumb, yet think they are smart.

An aggressive mind cannot even imagine the things that a compassionate mind easily sees.

Do not mimic the aggressive.

"The meek will inherit the Earth" is better understood as "the compassionate will have the hearts and minds to allow people to thrive in joy."

Acts rooted in true compassion resonate in human hearts designed by our Creator, in turn building Love's kingdom in our minds,

So you are saying semenya should be compassionate and quit racing women?

Most people don't have to "identify" with their gender - they are either biologically male or female. But - to use an analogy - if, as a Caucasian male, I said I "identified" as a person of colour, would that make me one - and especially so in the eyes of coloured people? How is that different in principle in identifying as a person of a gender that doesn't reflect my biological sex?

Guttenburg wrote:

Fogrunr wrote:

Compassionate hearts beat stronger

Compassionate minds are wiser

Aggression is no vision.

It weakens the heart's function and cripples the brain's ability to imagine.

If you focus on aggression, you entangle your heart and mind in aggression's net.

You make yourself unintelligent.

That is why the most aggressive people appear dumb, yet think they are smart.

An aggressive mind cannot even imagine the things that a compassionate mind easily sees.

Do not mimic the aggressive.

"The meek will inherit the Earth" is better understood as "the compassionate will have the hearts and minds to allow people to thrive in joy."

Acts rooted in true compassion resonate in human hearts designed by our Creator, in turn building Love's kingdom in our minds,

So you are saying semenya should be compassionate and quit racing women?

If I am not who I say I am then you are not who you think you are.

-James Baldwin

I'm a dangerous white racist extremist supremacist nut case who hates everyone.

However, I identify as an orange headed victimized moderate.

There was a penis in the exam. They don't always look like what people think they do.

The point, again, is that "identifying" as a gender implies more agency than is involved in reality. Nearly everyone "identifies" with a gender, but most people have the privilege of not having to think twice about it, because it aligns with their sex - so the people around them reinforce their gender by using their preferred pronouns, treating them a certain way, etc. It's better to think of gender identity as being acquired over time rather than chosen at will.

Your analogy doesn't quite work because race is a cultural construct (much like gender) - there's no genetic counterpart (i.e. sex). Some people argue that you can be "trans-racial" but that's a controversial and very different discussion to ours.

IAAF can reply to Castor; "So now you need to lower your T-levels to compete against women. So what?"

Fog Runner, please tell me you are a woman.