Caster Semenya admits she has an advantage, but dismisses it by adding "so what?"

Run007xx wrote:

I really wish someone like Nick Symmonds, who has spoken out against XY athletes being allowed in Women’s (XX) competitions, would come out of retirement, declare himself a woman, race Caster, beat her, and then say ‘hey... I’m just a woman with a ‘natural advantage’. I wonder how Caster wold feel about that.

... or, for that matter, a bunch of dudes like me (in my younger years I could run around 1:55) declaring our womanhood and simply putting her out of the running.

It would eventually be good for women’s running, because people would see the ridiculousness of it all, and ban all but XX athletes from women’s competition!

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There have been countless posts like this and they are moranic. Symmonds can't just declare himself to be a woman and compete. He will need to complete at least a year of hormone treatment and possibly grow a permanent pair of boobs. I dont believe he's willing to do that, but if you are, go for it.

LRers go on and on about Semenya, but the IAAF won and she is no longer allowed to compete "as-is". That she believes she wasn't treated fairly is not surprising.

Dwightarm wrote:

Run007xx wrote:

I really wish someone like Nick Symmonds, who has spoken out against XY athletes being allowed in Women’s (XX) competitions, would come out of retirement, declare himself a woman, race Caster, beat her, and then say ‘hey... I’m just a woman with a ‘natural advantage’. I wonder how Caster wold feel about that.

... or, for that matter, a bunch of dudes like me (in my younger years I could run around 1:55) declaring our womanhood and simply putting her out of the running.

It would eventually be good for women’s running, because people would see the ridiculousness of it all, and ban all but XX athletes from women’s competition!

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There have been countless posts like this and they are moranic. Symmonds can't just declare himself to be a woman and compete. He will need to complete at least a year of hormone treatment and possibly grow a permanent pair of boobs. I dont believe he's willing to do that, but if you are, go for it.

LRers go on and on about Semenya, but the IAAF won and she is no longer allowed to compete "as-is". That she believes she wasn't treated fairly is not surprising.

Completely agree with this.

On top of that, comparing her to an XY male is completely ludicrous.

Nick Symmonds is an XY male, and I'm guessing he's got typical male genitals (eg testicles on the outside of his body.)

Caster is an XY female with external female genitalia and INTERNAL testes which are typically a) malformed b) stunted due to being kept at 98.6º (body temperature) vs 95º. She may have far more testosterone than an XX woman but she likely has much lower levels of testosterone than the average XY male.

She's in between, aka intersex. Stop misgendering her as a man. Chromosomes do not make her a male; one could easily argue visible external genitalia should also be a factor in determining her gender.

Babbling Brook wrote:

Fogrunr wrote:

Weldon,

I respectfully disagree.

I don't think Caster misses the nuance that you perceive.

I think her point is why are we sacrificing those that are different?

Why can't we accept her the way she is, and accept others like her, and why haven't we provided a place for them?

WHY HAVEN'T WE PROVIDED A PLACE FOR THEM?

"My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?"

We perceive that she is more different from the majority then the majority are different among themselves.

My opinion is that we are missing the point of the Kingdom:

That the Kingdom is built within us, and to be built it requires a minimum of two people, each appreciating the uniqueness of the other and also the uniqueness of themselves.

That is the foundation of compassion.

That is the foundation of expanding our minds to think outside of ourselves.

Compassionate hearts beat stronger.

Compassionate minds are wiser.

Make no mistake.

Castor is a great one.

Despite aggression surrounding her, she maintains her peace, she maintains her self-respect, she is confident that she is accepted by the Creator.

If Castor is accepted by the creator, and we are SO different from her, then why would the Creator accept us?

And if the Creator accepts us both, then why can we not accept her and provide a place for her and others like her?

The problem is not her.

The problem is us.

Personally I take advantage of the opportunity to embrace someone who is different from me, because it opens my heart and mind.

It makes me feel alive.

And it subconsciously reinforces that I am just as appreciated.

Respectfully,

Fogrunr

Simple. It's a sport that is suppose to be a fair even playing field for all. Caster has a distinct advantage. Sticking up for himself/herself is irrelevant. I'm a Christian, yes I really am. This is not the Bible, it's sport and Caster is not a woman as the others are that she's running against. To not see and accept that is to be one with blinders on. You babbled on far too much.

Fogrunr wrote:

My apologies to Caster for misspelling her first name.

Allow me to rephrase what you wrote.

Simple. It's a sport that is supposeD to be OPEN for all. Caster has a distinct advantage, OR A DISTINCT DISADVANTAGE DEPENDING ON WHICH GROUP SHE RUNS WITH. Sticking up for himself/herself is RELEVANT TO YOU FOG RUNNER, BECAUSE YOU VALUE THE QUALITY OF THE PERSON MOST. I'm a Christian, yes I really am. IN MY OPINION, this is not the Bible, it's sport and Caster is not a woman as the others are that she's running against. IN MY OPINION, to not see and accept that is to be one with blinders on. IT IS MY OPINION THAT you babbled on far too much. AND NOW I REALIZED THAT I COULD NOT RESIST ATTEMPTING TO INSULT YOU.

*Everything is kung fu" -Jackie Chan

Babbling Brook wrote:

Simple. It's a sport that is suppose to be a fair even playing field for all. Caster has a distinct advantage. Sticking up for himself/herself is irrelevant. I'm a Christian, yes I really am. This is not the Bible, it's sport and Caster is not a woman as the others are that she's running against. To not see and accept that is to be one with blinders on. You babbled on far too much.

I am Sam wrote:

People know by now that 'she' has high testosterone, looks masculine etc, but very few know that he is actually 46 XY DSD, no female reproductive organs and un-descended testes.

The two categories are people born male or female as determined by genetic make up.

You are free to identify as whatever you want, but you are not free to cross over those two categories.

If you do that and the general public ask "so why can't 'she ' run with the females", the answer, "because he is 46 XY with DSD", i.e. he is a bloke with sexual organ disability , will allow people to say "ok...now that makes sense, I though she was just 'blokey'.

The last sentence of this post was deleted. We have deteremined you can't refer to Semany as a he on our website. You can argue she's more biologically male than female but calling someone who identifies as a woman as a he is not allowed.

dunes runner wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

People know by now that 'she' has high testosterone, looks masculine etc, but very few know that he is actually 46 XY DSD, no female reproductive organs and un-descended testes.

The two categories are people born male or female as determined by genetic make up.

You are free to identify as whatever you want, but you are not free to cross over those two categories.

If you do that and the general public ask "so why can't 'she ' run with the females", the answer, "because he is 46 XY with DSD", i.e. he is a bloke with sexual organ disability , will allow people to say "ok...now that makes sense, I though she was just 'blokey'.

The last sentence of this post was deleted. We have deteremined you can't refer to Semany as a he on our website. You can argue she's more biologically male than female but calling someone who identifies as a woman as a he is not allowed.

My reply agreeing with Sam's post was also deleted, apparently because being truthful about this issue and looking out for real women is not acceptable on this website. I simply pointed out the obvious, that anyone with a Y chromosome is a male, for the purpose of competing in athletics. No one who is a Y chromosome male should be allowed to compete in women's events.

Anyone who keeps promoting that a Y chromosome man should be able to call himself a woman to cheat and get away with competing in women's events needs to take a really good look at himself and stop being so hateful to real women. Also, being hateful and calling people jerks who stand up for real women is a really disrespectful and low class behavior.

Babbling Brook wrote:

Fogrunr wrote:

My apologies to Caster for misspelling her first name.

Allow me to rephrase what you wrote.

Simple. It's a sport that is supposeD to be OPEN for all. Caster has a distinct advantage, OR A DISTINCT DISADVANTAGE DEPENDING ON WHICH GROUP SHE RUNS WITH. Sticking up for himself/herself is RELEVANT TO YOU FOG RUNNER, BECAUSE YOU VALUE THE QUALITY OF THE PERSON MOST. I'm a Christian, yes I really am. IN MY OPINION, this is not the Bible, it's sport and Caster is not a woman as the others are that she's running against. IN MY OPINION, to not see and accept that is to be one with blinders on. IT IS MY OPINION THAT you babbled on far too much. AND NOW I REALIZED THAT I COULD NOT RESIST ATTEMPTING TO INSULT YOU.

*Everything is kung fu" -Jackie Chan

You could not insult me on your best day. You yearn for the approval of others, but fail each time. Your incessant babbling in an attempt to be intelligent embarrasses you. Try again but I'm sure that I already know the outcome. Caster has a distinct advantage peabrain. Learn some Human Physiology then come back. Until then, stay on the sidelines imbecile

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Run007xx wrote:

I really wish someone like Nick Symmonds, who has spoken out against XY athletes being allowed in Women’s (XX) competitions, would come out of retirement, declare himself a woman, race Caster, beat her, and then say ‘hey... I’m just a woman with a ‘natural advantage’. I wonder how Caster wold feel about that.

... or, for that matter, a bunch of dudes like me (in my younger years I could run around 1:55) declaring our womanhood and simply putting her out of the running.

It would eventually be good for women’s running, because people would see the ridiculousness of it all, and ban all but XX athletes from women’s competition!

There have been countless posts like this and they are moranic. Symmonds can't just declare himself to be a woman and compete. He will need to complete at least a year of hormone treatment and possibly grow a permanent pair of boobs. I dont believe he's willing to do that, but if you are, go for it.

LRers go on and on about Semenya, but the IAAF won and she is no longer allowed to compete "as-is". That she believes she wasn't treated fairly is not surprising.