based on appearance wrote:
Caster was misgendered at birth. The she label was applied based on appearance. Has Caster ever come out as a lesbian?
'Caster has a wife, and dresses like a male
based on appearance wrote:
Caster was misgendered at birth. The she label was applied based on appearance. Has Caster ever come out as a lesbian?
'Caster has a wife, and dresses like a male
Good point. I bet if we look close enough at the biology of Shaq or Bolt there will be some sort of extra super male mutation that 99% of males don’t have
StopMisgenerdingPeople wrote:
I am Sam wrote:
Problem is the 99% of people who do not care about athletics, and even most of those who do, do not understand the issue.
People know by now that 'she' has high testosterone, looks masculine etc, but very few know that he is actually 46 XY DSD, no female reproductive organs and un-descended testes.
So the support for IAAF etc is not there. And IAAF itself has not addressed this properly. Quit trying to set testosterone limits and chemical inhibitions. Just make the categories absolutely clear:
The two categories are people born male or female as determined by genetic make up.
You are free to identify as whatever you want, but you are not free to cross over those two categories.
If you do that and the general public ask "so why can't 'she ' run with the females", the answer, "because he is 46 XY with DSD", i.e. he is a bloke with sexual organ disability , will allow people to say "ok...now that makes sense, I though she was just 'blokey'.
No, 'she' is not blokey...he is a bloke
No, she is XY. We can call it the XX division and ban women who are XY from competing in the XX division. But please stop calling her a dude, you are just being an a$$hole when you do that. She is a female, born XY, can you please stop misgendering her. Thank you.
I don't care what generation you are from, but you are either a troll or just plain ignorant. I bet you went to a hugely liberal College and had one of those professors that molded your weak spine, I mean mind.
This world is completely out of hand and bs like Caster running as woman is absolutely ridiculous. Caster has a HUGE advantage over the true female competitors and it's so obvious it's almost embarrassing to watch. Although it's surely not Caster's fault, it's still a HUGE advantage that anyone who is unbiased can clearly see.
Again, what has this world come to and where in the hell is it going?
Shaq was tall and Bolt was juicing.
That’s what made them special
That’s called PEDs brother wrote:
Shaq was tall and Bolt was juicing.
That’s what made them special
Shaq was competing against other tall men.
Bolt was competing against other juiced men.
What you have here is someone who is biologically a male, a average male as far as running talent goes and competing against biological women. Do you not see the problem? People who have no objection towards Semenya competing against other women are basically advocating for the abolishment of women sports.
I am Sam wrote:
based on appearance wrote:
Caster was misgendered at birth. The she label was applied based on appearance. Has Caster ever come out as a lesbian?
'Caster has a wife, and dresses like a male
Caster is Male and straight.
rojo wrote:
She seems oblivious of the fact that she's "the best in the world" in a special cateogry - women's athletics. She's not the best in the world period. There are hundreds if not thousands of men better than her.
There are hundreds if not thousands of BOYS better than her in the US high school system alone. Of course, we have no idea how fast Caster can actually run until and unless we see Caster racing with men.
"People say I have an advantage. There's no such thing in life." - Caster Semenya
Ok... then race the men.
Rojo, you are OBSESSED with Semenya
Film Rep wrote:
Rojo, you are OBSESSED with Semenya
So you would be fine if sage identified as a woman as won the Boston Marathon as a female?
I must admit a grudging respect for Semenya getting away with this scam for a full decade. Played it to the fullest and showed the weakness of society on a fundamental level in a most graphic way, over and over again. Slow clap.
Who's to say that other athletes don't have a genetic advantage that we don't even know about or can't quantify the way we can T levels? How can anything be "fair" if someone has a built in genetic advantage that others don't?
Do we need to go back in time and retroactively examine performance? Babe Didrikson was probably similar to Caster. She was far stronger and faster than her contemporaries, never had children. Was she unable to because she had internal testes? Where does this all end?
What biological women need to compete against Semenya is Soviet "vitamins":
https://myoutlookonfootball.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/jamila-k.jpg?w=300&h=288
Do you want women sports to turn into that?
I think most pro athletes have an advantage over people less talented. Thats just natural. So I dont see a problem with semenya
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rojo wrote:
That being said, these comments don't exactly endear her to me. She misses the nuance of the argument.
She seems oblivious of the fact that she's "the best in the world" in a special cateogry - women's athletics. She's not the best in the world period. There are hundreds if not thousands of men better than her. In a day and age that we let people self identify their gender legally, we must have rules as to who can and can't compete in women's athletics.
(Part of this post is rephrased from another thread, "RE: At SA Women's Conf, Semenya Complains Women in Sports Don't Support Semenya - Plays Dumb About Why" started Wed 8/14):
"Yes I have high testosterone - so what?" and "I'm the best in the world at what I do" aren't the only public remarks Semenya made yesterday that won't exactly "endear" Semenya to many.
At the same conference - a SA women's conference where Semenya was keynote speaker - Semenya was asked how she is planning to use her public platform and superstar status to promote "gender equality" and empower women more generally. Semenya immediately brought the convo back to Semenya's own self, then complained that since Semenya started out in female sports biological women have never given Semenya sufficient support and love.
(To see/hear these remarks, go to circa 29:00 in the video from the embedded in article linked to below)
In the same video, Semenya also
1) says that growing up it was always clear Semenya was far better than other girls (and most boys) in athletics because "there was something different about me," but coyly never acknowledges - or approaches mention of - what the difference actually is, despite the fact that Semenya and SA officials have known for more than 10 years now;
2) follows up the boast that "I'm the best in the world at what I do" by claiming this is why the IAAF has "targeted" Semenya for persecution and is trying to "get rid of" Semenya. Semenya says mean sports authorities have determined Semenya is "a problem" because Semenya is just too good a runner, and other people - especially women - are envious of Semenya's exceptional talents. Again, there's no mention of the fact that the reason Semenya is "a problem" in women's sports is that Semenya is XY with functioning testes, male levels of T and male sensitivity to T - and that's why Semenya is "exceptional" compared to XX runners.
3) claims Semenya's success as a female runner is due to working harder and training better than the rest of the female field, having a tougher mental attitude and superior focus, and coming from a poor, rural province: At circa 13:10, Semenya says she trains 6 days a week, twice a day, usually waking up at 5:00 am to do so - and Semenya presents this schedule as extraordinary, proof of Semenya's special efforts and unmatched dedication.
Saying that Semenya "misses the nuance of the argument" is now clearly an understatement. Semenya is involved in a campaign of full-scale obfuscation and outright lying. And seems to have developed many traits associated with narcissistic personality disorder.
https://ewn.co.za/2019/08/14/caster-semenya-i-ve-never-felt-supported-by-women-in-sportsRojo is up to his old race baiting tricks again. Dude go to a Trump rally instead.
Run007xx wrote:
I really wish someone like Nick Symmonds, who has spoken out against XY athletes being allowed in Women’s (XX) competitions, would come out of retirement, declare himself a woman, race Caster, beat her, and then say ‘hey... I’m just a woman with a ‘natural advantage’. I wonder how Caster wold feel about that.
... or, for that matter, a bunch of dudes like me (in my younger years I could run around 1:55) declaring our womanhood and simply putting her out of the running.
It would eventually be good for women’s running, because people would see the ridiculousness of it all, and ban all but XX athletes from women’s competition!
There have been countless posts like this and they are moranic. Symmonds can't just declare himself to be a woman and compete. He will need to complete at least a year of hormone treatment and possibly grow a permanent pair of boobs. I dont believe he's willing to do that, but if you are, go for it.
LRers go on and on about Semenya, but the IAAF won and she is no longer allowed to compete "as-is". That she believes she wasn't treated fairly is not surprising.
semenyagoat wrote:
I think most pro athletes have an advantage over people less talented. Thats just natural. So I dont see a problem with semenya
Then you don't support women's sports.
Nothing inherently wrong with that position but just be clear that it is the position that you are taking.
Myself, I do support women's sports. And males should not be allowed to compete in them (hard to believe this needs to be said).
There are over 1000 high school boys running under 2 minutes every year in America alone.
That does not include duplicates or coaches who do not report their athletes times.
