Would 81-82 Salazar take prime Rupp on the roads?

Rupp has more natural speed and better drugs.

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Salazar on the 4%, improved training and all the "supplements" Rupp is on, he would've went sub 12:55, 26:30 and 2:05.

If the 81-82 Salazar had the 21st century Salazar as a coach I would take him over Rupp.

Let's say pre-surgery Rupp was time-machined to NYC 1982.

- Unless Rupp carried his pollen mask, he wouldn't run through The Cloud of Dirt or whatever. Non-Cheaterfly shoes available at the time wouldn't have messed up his foot, though, so there's that. Advantage: Salazar.

Or 1982 Salazar was time-machined to Chicago in 2017.

- Were back-then Salazar allowed to assimilate into current shoes, training, nutrition, etc., as 2017, I have to think he'd have kept the 2017 Chicago pace more honest early, limiting Rupp's surge with 4K or so to go. I take Kirui for the win, Salazar second, Rupp third.

Salazar on Rupp wrote:

Salazar on the 4%, improved training and all the "supplements" Rupp is on, he would've went sub 12:55, 26:30 and 2:05.

That is a 55 second improvement in his 10k PR, not only is that a massive improvement, it is way out of line with the improvements you are forecasting for his 5k and marathon.

Drainthefecesswamp wrote:

Salazar on Rupp wrote:

Salazar on the 4%, improved training and all the "supplements" Rupp is on, he would've went sub 12:55, 26:30 and 2:05.

That is a 55 second improvement in his 10k PR, not only is that a massive improvement, it is way out of line with the improvements you are forecasting for his 5k and marathon.

World record when Salazar set his 10000 PB was 27:22 and now it is 26:17. Me personally, I believe if Henry Rono was on all the "supplements" athletes from the 90s to today are on, he would still hold all the world records from 3000m-10000 and steeple.

Time Machine Administrator wrote:

Nobody could run away from Salazar during his prime road years, which I put at 1981 and 82.

I'm not sure we've seen the peak of Rupp's road career, but maybe we have.

Let's say pre-surgery Rupp was time-machined to NYC 1982.

Or 1982 Salazar was time-machined to Chicago in 2017.

Who you got, and why?

1982 Salazar time machined to Chicago 2017: Salazar was as tough as nails for his time. I think if he would've been time machined to our modern days, he would be a beast (shoes technology, training technology, nutrition, EPO micro-dosing (sorry can't take that out of the equation)and a "Al Sal coach" . Still, in terms of running fluidity and bio mechanics, Rupp will probably have the edge. Rupp 1st, Salazar 2nd some 23 seconds behind Rupp, Kirui 3rd.

2017 Rupp time-machined to 1982: For some reason, Rupp's running style would resemble Rodolfo Gomez thus looks like Rupp not doing anything lower than the high 2:09:55 -2:11's he exhibited in 2016- pre-Chicago 2017. Salazar would smoke him.

That's just me. Rupp fanboys, you are welcome to be offended.

We are talking one race one match up in their primes. Not one comes to the future and trains for a year and wears all the new gear and new drugs or whatever.

They can both get in a time machine and meet in 1935 for all it matters. What matters is their prime, On the day they ran their prime race on the roads and then do it against each other. I think Rupp Beats Salazar. He would draft off of Alberto until the last mile and pull away leaving Salazar struggling to the finish.

I also think that Al would beat Rupp, but don't underestimate the coaching that Salazar received. Bill Squires did a lot of Al's marathon training, and there was no one better in the world at the time. I was a contemporary of Salazar's in age, definitely not talent, and he was an absolute beast. One of the toughest racers ever. Nobody ever got an easy win against him. Rono was a dominant collegiate during Al's 4 years, but it's telling that the one year that Al won an NCAA Cross title was in the snow on a miserable day.

Missing the point wrote:

We are talking one race one match up in their primes. Not one comes to the future and trains for a year and wears all the new gear and new drugs or whatever.

They can both get in a time machine and meet in 1935 for all it matters. What matters is their prime, On the day they ran their prime race on the roads and then do it against each other. I think Rupp Beats Salazar. He would draft off of Alberto until the last mile and pull away leaving Salazar struggling to the finish.

Rupp's PRs are significantly faster at every distance. Salazar ran to about the very best of his ability at those distances so there's no way he could pull out a win somehow.

stupid question wrote:

Rupp's PRs are significantly faster at every distance. .

Their 3000 outdoor PBs:

42 7:43.24 Galen RUPP 08 MAY 1986 USA USA 5 London (GBR) 13 AUG 2010 1156

45 7:43.79 Alberto SALAZAR 07 AUG 1958 USA USA 2 Eugene, OR (USA) 10 MAY 1979 1153

And his 2:08 at NYC is about a 2:07 according to this calculator. So give him the nike 4% shoes, prime Rupp and prime Salazar would've been neck to neck.

*should say a 2:07 on the Chicago course

I really hope Rupp and Salazar read this thread

Salazar, that no talent fella. Doesn't Salazar have personal bests of: 57.xx/2:02 400/800? He ran 200 miles a week because he knew he had no talent. Salazar raced against Dick Beardsley. I do not think Beardsley was a sub-4:30 one miler in high school.

Rupp would win as he is more Talented (Salazar said so himself), Salazar was actually very dedicated and trained very hard, maybe too hard, The way he talked then it was almost like running was the most important thing in his life (though he said it was 3rd after God and Family, Salazar was Definitely not like Most Far Left Students at Oregon, He never disrespected the flag, He never spoke badly about the USA, he never protested to get the words In God We Trust. He was very different from most students at Oregon, but he was accepted as he worked very hard, He was Good Friends with Rudy Chapa who is STILL the High School Record holder at 10000, He went to High School in Massachusetts, and was a Standout nationally and he ran some runs with Bill Rodgers when he was in High School, and He tied Bob Hodge a t the Gurnett Beach Run, In a race I also ran, There was a rumor Salazar and Hodge had agreed to tie for the win BEFORE the race began (How is that for Confidence?) and the plan worked as they did tie for the win, That race is OPEN to EVERYBODY So I wonder how they knew they would be the 2 best Being that he still had 2-3 years of eligibility left at Oregon and Hodge was good, but there were better runners, so it is amazing they knew they could tie for the win, If Rodgers had shown up he would have been favored.

And his 2:08 at NYC is about a 2:07 according to this calculator wrote:

stupid question wrote:

Rupp's PRs are significantly faster at every distance. .

Their 3000 outdoor PBs:

42 7:43.24 Galen RUPP 08 MAY 1986 USA USA 5 London (GBR) 13 AUG 2010 1156

45 7:43.79 Alberto SALAZAR 07 AUG 1958 USA USA 2 Eugene, OR (USA) 10 MAY 1979 1153

And his 2:08 at NYC is about a 2:07 according to this calculator. So give him the nike 4% shoes, prime Rupp and prime Salazar would've been neck to neck.

https://findmymarathon.com/marathon-conversion-result.php

Well done, you found the similarity between their outdoor 3k bests, which is obviously the most relevant event and therefore refutes Rupp’s markedly superior PRs at literally every other distance.

Salazar has way more talent and guts than Rupp.

If you look at the talent cap of where they started, Rupp is light years away from Salazar. Salazar was a nation leader, while Rupp would have only been top 100 in HS without the help of Salazar. He would be far from 3rd at Footlocker without an altitude camp and extra care. There were TWO runners better than him on that day. Out of the top 100 in HS, most will run D1 but few will make it on to win something like Boston. Moving out of high school, Rupp has a few medals, but he is not gold medal quality. Think something like Chelimo--in medal contention but not enough confidence to say I am the top dog in this race. Salazar had the Michael Jordan instinct, something that Farah, Kipchoge, Bekele, Guerrouj, Lagat has. Rupp DOES NOT have this and is a snowflake, dropping out of races and running with nose tape. If he had the guts, Solinsky wouldn't have beat him for the 10k AR. On the contrary, you could easily see Salazar with the die-hard guts, running so hard that he almost died in a marathon just for a win.

It was the Falmouth Road Run 7.1 Mile Run that salazar almost died, Salazar is a great Coach no doubt, nut many say the Runner makes the Coach, more than the Coach makes the Runner, Salazar took Rupp from total Scratch which is extremely impressive, but he likely had 20-30 or even more runners who he coached in High School and Rupp was the only one that got to the International level meaning Rupp was likely FAR MORE TALENTED as a runner than his High school Teammates, and everyone of the athletes Salazar coached had the same training, same guidance, the same advice on what to eat, to get an altitude tent (some kids may have not gotten an Altitude tent, If there parents could not afford it) But every kid on his team had everything exactly like Rupp No More and No Less as Salazar is not the kind of man to play favorites with his athletes Regardless if they are trying to break national records or break 6 or5 minutes for the mile for the first time.