Ineos 1:59 Challenge - 30 pacemakers - 8 names confirmed including all 3 Ingebrigtsens!!

PfliegerF wrote:

The names confirmed so far are :

Geoffrey Kamworor

Jakob Ingebrigtsen

Filip Ingebrigtsen

Henrik Ingebrigtsen

Paul Chelimo

Augustine Choge

Josphat Boit

Victor Chumo

The 3 Ingebrigtsens are making themselves the 3 Stooges with this nonsense. But to see 800+ GOAT Choge debase himself like this is unconscionable! One is not paced by one's equals.

800: Choge 1:44.86, Kipchoge ??? slower than 1:45.99

1500: Choge 3:29.47, Kipchoge 3:33.20

mile: Choge 3:50.01, Kipchoge 3:50.40

3000: Kipchoge 7:27.66, Choge 7:28.00

5000: Kipchoge 12:46.53, Choge 12:53.66

HM: Kipchoge 59.26, Choge 59:26

Just about dead even, with Choge still the up-and-coming star of the future and Kipchoge ready to be on the decline at any moment. I say put Choge behind the pacers too, and make a race of it!

Timothy Cheruiyot wrote:

Coevett wrote:

I hope this is part of some agreement in which next year Kipchoge paces Jakob for his attempt on the 5K world record, and potato Tim paces him for his attempt on El G's 1500 or Mile records.

Why do you constantly call Tim Cheruiyot "potato Tim"? What's the point behind such a weird behaviour.

Because he manages to combine being a world class athlete with also being a full time potato farmer.

And it's a training regime that works, cause whenever he goes back to Kenya to 'plant potatoes' he always comes back in great shape. More athletes should get into this potato game.

douglas burke wrote:

You know what would be really cool if Jakob Ingebrightsen paces the First stage and when he gets to the 2nd stage where he is expected to stop he nods his head no with a big smile on his face and he just keeps going THE WHOLE WAY and he outkicks Kipchoge to be the First Man to run the Distance under 2 Hours in 1:59 .49 With Kipchoge the 2nd in 1:59.51

According to this interview, that is exactly what he is planning to do:

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Former Hillary supporter wrote:

[quote]PfliegerF wrote:

[quote]PfliegerF wrote:

The Ineos 1:59 Challenge will have 30 pacemakers, which will rotate, 6 at a time, each exchange being 4.8 km long. The very first one is expected to be longer at around 8.6km.

The names confirmed so far are :

Geoffrey Kamworor

Jakob Ingebrigtsen

Filip Ingebrigtsen

Henrik Ingebrigtsen

Paul Chelimo

Augustine Choge

Josphat Boit

Victor Chumo

Have you been in a cave? I recognize all the names in bold and Josphat Boit rings a bell. I think he was one of the pace makers in Berlin last year.

If they bringing back boit why not bring back Claus?

foh moran wrote:

Meh Jr wrote:

I'm skeptical. "World's Best" as recognized by whom? And what does "World's Best Human Performance" mean? Are there separate categories for other animals?

The whole show sounds excruciatingly dull to me. It's not news that top racers can run a couple of percent faster if they have a bunch of hand-picked people to pace off and draft off while wearing cheater shoes. To me it would be like if they took a top women's 100m runner and let her run 100m with a running start and a powerful fan behind her. Maybe she runs 9.9 seconds. So what? Does that really show anything about human potential or willpower or whatever crap is being peddled by Ineos? No, it just shows that you can run faster when you illegally improve race conditions.

Because having pacers is the same thing as using a fan...

Maybe having pacers isn't the same as using a fan, but when those pacers are in wind-blocking formation in front of Kipchoge, they are the same. It's no secret that these pacers plan to run in front of Kipchoge so he doesn't have to expend as much energy as he would in race-legal conditions. If he gets 2% energy savings (or whatever) from illegal drafting instead of from an illegal fan, what's the difference?

Really, there's no point arguing about it. If they thought he could run an actual, legal sub-2, then that's what they would go for. There would be much more prestige attached to that. But he can't, so they came up with this silly show.

Imagine if in 1953, when anticipation was building about the possibility of the first sub-4 mile, somebody had done a similar stunt to drag one of the top runners of the day to a non-ratifiable, illegal sub-4. What would be the point of it?

Subway Surfers wrote:

big dave22 wrote:

- 40 year old man who's been on EPO for 20 years

- pancake flat course

- paced by a different dude every mile

- spring-loaded clown shoes

- sponsored by a chemical company

Totally legitimate marathon. Honk honk.

The key ingredients

If the Ineos 1:59 doesn’t work, Amgen should sponsor the next attempt. ?

No imagination needed. They tried that and failed.

If you knew your history, you'd realize that actually happened. Chataway and Brasher led/paced Bannister through almost 1300m of the first sub 4.

The year previous, they had done the same, with one of the pacers purposefully allowing himself to get lapped in order to be stronger. Bannister ran 4:02 that day. This was a potential controversy at the time.

Meh Jr wrote:

Really, there's no point arguing about it. If they thought he could run an actual, legal sub-2, then that's what they would go for. There would be much more prestige attached to that. But he can't, so they came up with this silly show.

I count myself among this "what's the point" camp. I'd actually be more interested to see 2 hrs broken via the brojos plan to pay some elite to run it all downhill. That would be a cleaner-seeming effort and less ridiculous than all this lazer-guided draft paceline bs ineos is shoving out there.

I wasn't clear that this sub-2 wouldn't count for either a race win or a WR. I'm so so glad to learn here that's the case.

trollism wrote:

Timothy Cheruiyot wrote:

Why do you constantly call Tim Cheruiyot "potato Tim"? What's the point behind such a weird behaviour.

Because he manages to combine being a world class athlete with also being a full time potato farmer.

And it's a training regime that works, cause whenever he goes back to Kenya to 'plant potatoes' he always comes back in great shape. More athletes should get into this potato game.

You're not wrong! I remember reading, probably in Runner's World when it focused on world class runners, that when running wasn't pro, a lot of, especially British runners, were often gardeners.

They made money and it was considered good "cross-training" before they called it that.

down hill wrote:

I wasn't clear that this sub-2 wouldn't count for either a race win or a WR. I'm so so glad to learn here that's the case.

Yes it was. That's always been clear. You can't rotate pacers in and out.

2 points wrote:

2. Can’t they get Egan Bernal and Geraint Thomas to do a pull?

Lol had the same thought

Meh Jr wrote:

The whole show sounds excruciatingly dull to me.

Did you watch the first one? I watched it live and then watched the doc they made from it. I thought it was one of the coolest things ever.

What's the relationship between Nike and this event? Seems like there is one given the stable of athletes and this reference in the Google translate ('It is Ingebrigtsen's equipment sponsor Nike who is responsible for the event, and they also pay a sizable sum to profiled hares.")

But I don't see any reference to it in the event website, and it seems like Ineos is getting all the press mentions

I'd forgotten about the 1953 episode, but was aware there was some controversy over the first sub-4 due to obvious pacing from Brasher and Chataway. However, I would argue that the fact it was controversial only strengthens my argument. Bannister bent the rules to get the first sub-4, but it was ultimately decided that it should stand (personally, while I think it was a fabulous accomplishment, I think it warrants an asterisk). However, what would it have been like if it was ANNOUNCED BEFOREHAND that Bannister was attempting a sub-4 mile with pacers and illegal drafting that would make it ineligible for record-setting purposes? Wouldn't that seem kind of lame? Wouldn't it have been hypothetically stealing the thunder of John Landy when he actually broke 4 legitimately afterwards?

The situation is similar with Kipchoge. Say he breaks 2 in the upcoming trial. Obviously, it doesn't count as a world's best, and rightfully so. Then later, if/when somebody breaks 2 in a legitimate record-eligible race, won't their accomplishment seem diminished in the eyes of many because "somebody already did that"? And even more so if Kipchoge breaks 2 by a greater amount. The legit sub-2 runner will become the John Landy of the marathon, except they will have an unambiguous case.

I think this is going to be particularly skewed in the eyes of the general public. Part of what is insidious about the sub-2 project is that I don't think many non-runners truly understand that it is ineligible for records, or why, or that that even means anything. Or they may think pacing and drafting doesn't really make a difference anyway. "He ran the marathon distance under his own power" is how the thinking goes. If he was getting a boost from a downhill course or something similar that anybody can grasp, it would at least be easier for non-runners to understand. If Kipchoge breaks 2, many people will just get the gist of the story: "1st sub-2 marathon!"

LoneStarXC wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

The key ingredients

If the Ineos 1:59 doesn’t work, Amgen should sponsor the next attempt. ?

Don't they own a TdF team?

Subway Surfers wrote:

big dave22 wrote:

- 40 year old man who's been on EPO for 20 years

- pancake flat course

- paced by a different dude every mile

- spring-loaded clown shoes

- sponsored by a chemical company

Totally legitimate marathon. Honk honk.

The key ingredients

Ineos is an industrial chemicals company...lotsa stuff there to kill you, but none performance enhancing.

Meh Jr wrote:

Maybe having pacers isn't the same as using a fan, but when those pacers are in wind-blocking formation in front of Kipchoge, they are the same. It's no secret that these pacers plan to run in front of Kipchoge so he doesn't have to expend as much energy as he would in race-legal conditions. If he gets 2% energy savings (or whatever) from illegal drafting instead of from an illegal fan, what's the difference?

See here

Car effect negligible compared to the pacers