An AR-15 is no more dangerous than a 9 millimeter handgun

we are good to go wrote:

But the freedom to own a grenade launcher, Browning M2 or an Apache helicopter was justified as wrong and removed from the American public. Nobody seems to mind much about that freedom being taken away.

Yes, sane adults have already worked all of that out for you. There are rules and laws on the books covering all of that and I'm happy with where they are. Good to go. Next issue....

So you don't see the hypocrisy and conflict here?

They made rules and laws infringing the rights of the people to bear arms... and you like them?

Tell me the last time when a grenade launcher or an automatic rifle was used in a mass shooting in the US?

ex-runner wrote:

we are good to go wrote:

But the freedom to own a grenade launcher, Browning M2 or an Apache helicopter was justified as wrong and removed from the American public. Nobody seems to mind much about that freedom being taken away.

Yes, sane adults have already worked all of that out for you. There are rules and laws on the books covering all of that and I'm happy with where they are. Good to go. Next issue....

So you don't see the hypocrisy and conflict here?

They made rules and laws infringing the rights of the people to bear arms... and you like them?

Tell me the last time when a grenade launcher or an automatic rifle was used in a mass shooting in the US?

Grenade launchers are awesome, so are fully automatics.

If both were legal both would be used in mass shootings and there would be 100x more deaths.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

So you don't see the hypocrisy and conflict here?

They made rules and laws infringing the rights of the people to bear arms... and you like them?

Tell me the last time when a grenade launcher or an automatic rifle was used in a mass shooting in the US?

Grenade launchers are awesome, so are fully automatics.

If both were legal both would be used in mass shootings and there would be 100x more deaths.

Alan

Exactly.

ex-runner wrote:

we are good to go wrote:

But the freedom to own a grenade launcher, Browning M2 or an Apache helicopter was justified as wrong and removed from the American public. Nobody seems to mind much about that freedom being taken away.

Yes, sane adults have already worked all of that out for you. There are rules and laws on the books covering all of that and I'm happy with where they are. Good to go. Next issue....

So you don't see the hypocrisy and conflict here?

They made rules and laws infringing the rights of the people to bear arms... and you like them?

Tell me the last time when a grenade launcher or an automatic rifle was used in a mass shooting in the US?

Yup. I like the current laws. Our elected representatives have sorted all of that out and we are good to go.

ex-runner wrote:

we are good to go wrote:

But the freedom to own a grenade launcher, Browning M2 or an Apache helicopter was justified as wrong and removed from the American public. Nobody seems to mind much about that freedom being taken away.

Yes, sane adults have already worked all of that out for you. There are rules and laws on the books covering all of that and I'm happy with where they are. Good to go. Next issue....

So you don't see the hypocrisy and conflict here?

They made rules and laws infringing the rights of the people to bear arms... and you like them?

Tell me the last time when a grenade launcher or an automatic rifle was used in a mass shooting in the US?

Nice straw man. I don’t know of any gun owners who are unhappy with not being able to buy military grade heavy weapons. They understand there have to be limits and that it isn’t an all or nothing world. The lack of grenade launchers didn’t stop the Boston Marathon bombers, among many others using IEDs. People wishing to act out violently will use whatever they can. And even so, something like 90% of mass shootings use something other than a rifle, typically a pistol.

Racket wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Not really, its just comical what people that haven't a clue come up with. Most should just keep silent so as to not divulge their ignorance. Heres a snippet. I do believe you may well fall into this category:

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/top-10-most-idiotic-anti-gun-quotes-from-politicians/

Yeah like I said, I must have hit pretty close to home.

Repeating ones self is not a good quality.

ex-runner wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

There are many other rights which have to be fought for in the US such as abortion, rights to medical treatment and same sex relationships.

As far as I'm aware, abortion is legal, IE the right to kill your unborn child for no good reason, if you should so desire. What "right" to medical treatment is currently being infringed and where? Same for same sex relationships. How and where?

All those rights have been fought for. That was the only point. They aren't God given. They didn't pre-exist thought, they required justification, to the previous poster's points.

My point is there is no need, nor any moral, religious or God given right to own a semi-automatic weapon. Not even a constitutional one.

It's a legal right that's it.

Laws change.

That they do. That one will not.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

All those rights have been fought for. That was the only point. They aren't God given. They didn't pre-exist thought, they required justification, to the previous poster's points.

My point is there is no need, nor any moral, religious or God given right to own a semi-automatic weapon. Not even a constitutional one.

It's a legal right that's it.

Laws change.

That they do. That one will not.

ex-runner needs to prepare himself for disappointment

it aint' changing wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

That they do. That one will not.

ex-runner needs to prepare himself for disappointment

I live in the UK so I'm not really bothered. I just tire of hearing the 2nd amendment argument because it doesn't hold water.

ex-runner wrote:

it aint' changing wrote:

ex-runner needs to prepare himself for disappointment

I live in the UK so I'm not really bothered. I just tire of hearing the 2nd amendment argument because it doesn't hold water.

They don't have a 2nd amendment in the UK. This has nothing to do with you. Mind your own business.

First, I appreciate your willingness to engage and way you’ve argued. I think your point about the small percentage of deaths from rifles in mass shootings is wrong though. How about Islamic extremist terrorists? How many people in the US have they killed since 2001? To what lengths has our government gone to respond to that? Trillions of dollars, thousands of US soldiers dead, tens of thousands of soldiers with PTSD , violation of constitutional rights via NSA surveillance. That’s a more important problem than the specter of mass shootings with AR-15s? Do you have children who have to go through active shooter drills? Have you bought them bulletproof backpacks? If we were willing to take on terrorism we should be willing take on psychos who want to kill lots of people with ARs. Changing the constitution to remove an amendment is a perfectly constitutional way to solve the issue. Repeal and replace.

I 100% agree that it was a mistake to invade Iraq and it's a mistake to nation build and it's a mistake to be the world's police. I'd rather have a policy of hit hard and get out quickly.

So, to sum up. Here is what we need to do. Dial down our mission scope in the middle east, but be ready to punish in a moment's notice. Dial up CIA efforts, especially human intel. Keep gun rights as they are now in most states. Expand gun rights in areas that are currently in violation of the 2nd amendment (DC, NY, etc.). Educate the public with respect to the reality surrounding mass shootings to combat the malicious sensationalism. You are almost as likely to be killed by a dog attach than a "mass shooter".

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Racket wrote:

Yeah like I said, I must have hit pretty close to home.

Repeating ones self is not a good quality.

Agreed. I say that a million times and still people don't stop doing it.

Smoove wrote:

All true, but the accuracy of a long gun as compared to a handgun is much greater.

And when a .223 round hits home from a long barreled rifle, the effect is much different. The round often tumbles and splinters and creates a much bigger wound cavity the impact is greater as well. You take a 9mm wound to the torso, it’s not great, but you have a chance of living. You take a .223 wound to the torso, it’s likely fatal.

So greater effective range, greater magazine capacity, and significantly more ballistic damage make an AR far deadlier.

Thank you.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Kickapoo wrote:

If I do not have a gun I cannot shoot anyone.

People are more important than hunting for animals or target practice.

Wanna make a difference? Go to Chicago and collect the guns from the inner city drug gangs. Many more killed there in year then all the mass shootings combined.

True, but if they want to shoot each other that's not as bad as shooting innocent children.

Armyvet101 wrote:

Ok mass shootings have caused psychological trauma THAT is the point. They are made to scare people. Giving up freedoms is not the answer it is however exactly what these monsters want. AR-15s are not the problem 416 deaths by rifles of any kind in a year in a country with 327,000,000 is a statistical 0%. 11,000,000 AR-15s are legally owned yet look at the numbers on gun deaths of the 40,000 per year or .01% of the population. ONLY 8.863 ARE MURDERS the rest being suicides 29,000+, law enforcement shootings 1600+, and accidental discharges resulting in death 274. That means 140 more people died in an entire year from rifles of any kind at 416 that who didn't know what they were doing and accidentally discharged that gun of any kind. Stop with the emotional rhetoric and use actual data.

You don't have to have a AR-15 to hunt or protect yourself.

We are talking about INNOCENT people.

critical thinking is not your strong suit wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Ban assault rifles, ban gun show loopholes, require licensing and registration, ban high capacity clips, criminal penalties for failing to report lost or stolen firearms, criminal penalties for failing to properly store firearms

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That's exactly what we don't want. But thanks.

I'm sure a person willing and motivated to engage in mass murder will abide by some paperwork and regulations involving proper acquisition of a firearm and just drop the whole mass murder idea and not obtain one of the 300 million weapons out there floating around in the USA. You've really thought this through.

INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED. HOW MUCH LOGIC DO YOU NEED!!!

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Runningart2004 wrote:

Grenade launchers are awesome, so are fully automatics.

If both were legal both would be used in mass shootings and there would be 100x more deaths.

How lucky we are that mass shooters restrict themselves to legal weapons. If they weren't so law abiding they might get heavier stuff on the black market.