An AR-15 is no more dangerous than a 9 millimeter handgun

Yes a .223 round will tumble more causing a "triangle" exit wound making it much harder to close than a standard pistol round. But a Teflon tipped hollow point will almost always kill with a body shot due to the fact that it mushrooms and breaks apart causing almost shrapnel type wounds internally meaning you aren't dealing with just closing the wound you have to go in and get out every piece of bullet and the fragments are likely to server an artery. And still a 45 acp with fmj creates such a massive exit wound it too causes more trauma than a .223 round.

Saying the bill of rights are God given rights, has nothing to do with confusing the declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Yes the document that CREATED this country uses the phrase and calls the truths self evident and inalienable. But the Constitution does NOT grant rights to the people but merely protects the rights they already have from the government.

More rapid.

Higher capacity.

Worse cavity impact.

More accurate.

Let's not forget the CDC under Obama did a study and research and found guns were used anywhere between 300,000- 1,500,000 times in the defense of a crime. Or to stop a crime from happening altogether. The reason the number is so hard to get precise is because most of the times when used for defense it goes unreported. And "banning most semi automatic weapons" would not solve anything. And lastly 8,863 murders a year 2400 happen in 4 cities that have very strict gun laws but hey the criminals don't care. And 8,863 of 327,000,000 is statistically 0% so NO we aren't going to violate the Constitution for a problem that doesn't exist to the extent of being a "public health crisis". You care about the 8,863 most of which occur during gang or drug related activities (source FBI and DoJ stats) but choose to ignore the 29,250 suicides which banning semi autos would do absolutely nothing to help lower than number.

Wrong they have the same rate of fire being semi automatic one pull of the trigger is one shot.

No higher capacity as the Dayton shooters pistol had a 100 rs double drum mag.

The rounds aren't more dangerous or lethal than a Teflon tipped hollow point.

The accuracy depends entirely on the shooter.

Army vet. I was responding to the OP not you. I was just trying to demonstrate that a long rifle is far more effective of a weapon than a hand gun. Hand guns are pretty sloppy and have a very limited range for people that do not know how to shoot. And I am not for banning any of them. My father was Army and I have great respect for the uniform.

AR-15s do not have hair triggers though you can adjust them from the standard 11lbs of pressure. As far as a better weapon or more effective one that could be used for mass shootings you have the AR 10 with it's 7.62x51mm that almost always guarantees a kill with a certain mass shot. You have the Mini rancher 14 which is identical in performance and even rounds that an AR-15 uses but because it's wood people don't call it an "assault weapon" yes it even takes the same mags and has the same rate of fire. Third the right to be free of gun violence? Which number was that again? You don't have that RIGHT. You have a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness but not "free from gun violence". And that "few gun nuts" rights to bear arms is still more important that you being afraid. We don't take away freedoms as a response to an attack. You like to argue using emotions yet very little actual FACTS. 416 out of 327,000,000 are killed with rifles of any kind in a year. That is a FACT. You are more likely to be killed by a golf club than a rifle is also a FACT. So save all that crying for someone who cares we will NEVER strip rights and freedoms from citizens. That is why "hate speech" laws will never pass in America. That is why we don't react to a tragedy on a knee jerk reaction. Because people like you seem to think "assault rifles" are some sort of problem that lead to mass shootings. Yet 60% of all mass shootings occur by pistol. 15% by shotgun and only 25% by rifles of all kinds not just the AR-15. Even then since 1984 there have only been 43 mass shootings where a rifle of any kind was used. So stop with the fear mongering.

Precious Roy wrote:

Mass shooting have had a disproportionate impact compared to generic gun violence. Mass shootings have caused nationwide psychological trauma. My 7 year old came home from school asking if I knew what day the bad guy would come to school so he could stay home. They had active shooter training that day.

You are only concerned about mass shootings when the shooter is white. You are not concerned with the myriads of gang land mass shootings that go under reported every couple of days in places like Chicago and Washington DC (both places with extremely tight gun control laws). And yes, those are terrorism in the places they take place (ever notice how there are pretty much no witnesses anytime something like this happens in Chicago?). The point being that gun control laws are pretty much ineffective, especially in a country where there are already more than 11,000,000 assault rifles out there as Army vet already pointed out. Passing tight gun control legislation might make you feel good, but it isn't going to have any real impact on gun violence, it is just going to take away guns from the large majority of responsible gun owners.

Great glad to hear it. And yes any two hand operated fire arm system is going to be more accurate solely due to the way the body helps to support it. But actual accuracy is all at the hands of the shooter. At 15 yards I bet I can out shoot most peoples rifle shots with a pistol. Because of the training and practice I have. But again most mass shooters rely more on the spray and pray method than anything that involves accuracy.

You are talking about extremes. I'm talking about averages.

Armyvet101 wrote:

Yes a .223 round will tumble more causing a "triangle" exit wound making it much harder to close than a standard pistol round. But a Teflon tipped hollow point will almost always kill with a body shot due to the fact that it mushrooms and breaks apart causing almost shrapnel type wounds internally meaning you aren't dealing with just closing the wound you have to go in and get out every piece of bullet and the fragments are likely to server an artery. And still a 45 acp with fmj creates such a massive exit wound it too causes more trauma than a .223 round.

Ban them all. Problem solved.

Strict gun laws in cities are useless when you can just drive to the next state, county or city to buy guns under weak laws.

AR-15s are mass murder weapons. If your life is so empty that you need to play with guns of any size and type to the detriment of public safety, you need to find a new hobby.

Well glad I fought in a war for a country where I'm free to choose my hobby and sport shooting is mine. Don't like freedom feel free to move to Brazil where they have a gun registry and minimum age to be a gun owner is 25 sure they have the highest gun murder rate in the world but hey strict gun laws right? They aren't mass murder weapons you just fear monger and listen to the bs media meanwhile FACTS aren't on your side so you choose to ignore them. You can choose to be offended by my RIGHT to bear arms but I don't care unlike you who sits there and cries that I have a scary weapon I fought for the rights of everyone that's why you have free speech because soldiers were willing to and did die for those rights that you so gladly wish to get rid of. But let me guess you also call Trump a Nazi and racist yet want to give him all our guns because you don't believe in guns and violence shouldn't exist grow up and get out

Great, let’s ban them both!

Prove Me Wrong wrote:

Yes, it may have more round capacity, but a handgun can still hold around 15 rounds of ammunition, and reload time is very quick. In a mass shooting in a large crowd, reload times don't have much impact in the ending result. Handguns are also easily concealed. It is also harder to disarm a person with a handgun compared to a rifle.

Perhaps what you say is true if conflicts took place in a bed room.

There is a reason why the main weapon for every army in the world in a semi automatic or automatic rifle and not a hand gun.

Prove Me Wrong wrote:

Yes, it may have more round capacity, but a handgun can still hold around 15 rounds of ammunition, and reload time is very quick. In a mass shooting in a large crowd, reload times don't have much impact in the ending result. Handguns are also easily concealed. It is also harder to disarm a person with a handgun compared to a rifle.

Well, OP, guess we're going to have to ban both!

Depends on the type and grain.

AR rounds were developed to take out a WarPac soldier with a tin helmet at 500 yards or so. They used 55gr rounds and later used 62gr rounds. M193 ball ammo and then later M855 green dot ammo became common.

People also make fun of the .22 LR. That's an effective round. Cheap, no recoil and for someone with no training, it's good in a self-defense situation as they can get shots on target quickly with no muzzle flip. However, rimfires jam more than centerfires.

Prove Me Wrong wrote:

Yeah, I know all that, but I was just thinking about quick, close shots, like a lot of the mass shootings. I assume many shooters have the opportunity for close kill shots when surrounded by unarmed civilians

Were these quick close shots? Can you do this with a handgun?